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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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today july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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this is world to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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all right good evening fade to black

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wednesday may 4th

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2022 for kjcr the game changer and i

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racehogs i'm your host jimmy church may

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richard dolan is here

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that's right

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with open lines all night long

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it's always a big build up

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tomorrow fader night open lines all

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night long coming up i'll be speaking at

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for full info go to nxnetwork.com

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disclosurefest.org

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space is very limited i want you to

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the big breaking news of the year just

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the rhythmics and carly simon all of

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them will join the class of 2022

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that's not all additionally

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excellence awards now

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when apollo 15 and 17 missions return to

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earth with pieces of the moon in 1971

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some of the samples were deliberately

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center to house the lunar samples

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the weekend and it's one of the craziest

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what they're doing next dna they're

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well an old russian rocket motor broke

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the u.s space force's 18th space defense

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16 pieces of space junk associated with

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the event are currently being tracked

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known as object number 32398 it was a

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that had helped deliver three russian

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right here in los angeles california the

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man who tackled chappelle

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had a backpack on they had the entire

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blocked off with security right but

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but not in the altercation in other

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he got touched up by

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chappelle's security

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as he should have chappelle had finished

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his act and was exiting the stage when

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lee who was part of the audience jumped

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on the stage and tackled chappelle to

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the video is crazy now video is very

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of your cell phones when you get to the

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hollywood bowl for the chappelle show

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they they give you a security case that

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locks and you got to put your phone in

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the case and it's locked you cannot use

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babysitter's calling there's an

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there's no cell phone video there's very

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this guy broke through on this day in

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says on the floor parliament is in

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and he says on the floor he says quote

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may the fourth is an appropriate date

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for a defense debate

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my researcher who is a bit of a wit

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star wars day

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well the rest

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is well you know

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history

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may the fourth be with you

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fader fact

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love this talk about a conspiracy are

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you ready

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fate or fact

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the loreland tobacco company

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was successfully sued they lost they

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for sending company vans into housing

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projects

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to give out free newport cigarettes to

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black children

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in the late 1960s

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is your fader fact

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tonight very special guest richard bleep

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and dolan is here he's here tonight for

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the interview

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yeah

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the interview

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it's going down tonight tomorrow night

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fader night open lines all night long

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now it's time for me to hit

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this river moon coffee george lynch

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man that was george's best hairstyle

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right there that one

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that raccoon

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that's just awesome

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i wonder where that guitar is today is

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that's what it looks like

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george lynch

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i'm not gonna say anything

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he might be on the show i'm just saying

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i'm just saying

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it might happen

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okay

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all right it's gonna be cool if it does

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let me sit here with george i want a

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good dude pick out a guitar

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play something for the fader knots yeah

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all right and as everybody knows i got

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the new fender uh mini strat it's

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hanging up

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on the far wall over there and i know

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everybody wants to see it i'll save that

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uh for tomorrow night on fader night and

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uh

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um

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and i got a couple of other uh guitar

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surprises

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or at least one

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at least one there's more but you know

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you gotta you gotta you gotta space it

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out can't do it all at once but uh

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yeah yeah we'll do that tomorrow night

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all right river moon coffee

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[Music]

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rivermoonwellness.com you know what i

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i sent some coffee to a friend

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i faded to black blend

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and

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how cool life is so i thought to myself

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today i said okay

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i could take

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some of my stock

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you know i've got a cabinet full of fade

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to black blend

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do i take that out

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box that up

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take it to the ups store right

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have them put a label on it drive

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or is there an alternative

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and yes there is

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i went to amazon today

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and bought

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my own coffee

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fade to black blend

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and had it shipped to somebody

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how cool is that

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i mean that was

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there was some satisfaction

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involved uh with that

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yeah that was pretty cool very weird

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it's a very weird sensation uh to go

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through but uh i did that today

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and uh

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the question is to who

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you'll never know

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rivermoonwellness.com visit the amazon

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store you know how i did it

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i went i'd literally

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river moon coffee right there in amazon

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river moon cot that sounds cool

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river moon coffee popped right up

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right there right at the top fade to

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black blend right there at the top of

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the right there popped right up

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too easy to do so go visit amazon type

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it in

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river moon coffee

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i um i just ordered

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this keyboard that i have here

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it's really cool it's nice

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and uh but i've had it for a number of

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years it's really nice but i decided to

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get one of those retro

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which are now it's now tro now but it's

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used to be retro it's now tro

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uh an antique mechanical

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computer keyboard

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with the click clackety keys and that

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looks like a typewriter

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it's all steampunked out so i can't wait

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to get that

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all right

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uh where am i at

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where am i at rivermoonwellness.com

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and the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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all right now check this out

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i'm going to be speaking while that was

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weird

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something just moved on my ceiling

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one of the acoustic tiles literally just

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went

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pop down

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what if it falls during the show what if

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it keeps going

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i need to push it back up

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okay

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um i'm going to be speaking at uh the

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annex

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conference uh may 13th and 14th and one

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of the things i'm going to be talking

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about

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the james webb which also we'll be

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covering with christina gomez this

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thursday these are some of the my

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favorite things to talk about on the

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show because i do so much research into

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this the size of the universe the

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expansion of the universe and uh you

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know einstein and the turnaround on

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things you know static universe to an

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expanding universe to a universe that is

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uh increasing its speed of expansion now

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uh space

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is expanding faster than the speed of

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flight it is a crazy crazy amount of

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research and i love talking about this

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and

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now

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after nearly 13.8 billion years of

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non-stop expansion

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researchers are now saying that the

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universe could soon grind to a

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standstill

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and then slowly start to contract now

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this isn't anything new

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this was always uh

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a theory that was put out there

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but new research in that

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you know was it infinitely expanding

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or would it expand and then eventually

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gravity take over

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and then

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boom we have a reversal of the big bang

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right okay and that's always been out

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there

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new research

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published in the journal proceedings of

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the national academy of sciences suggest

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now

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that it's about to change in the new

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paper three scientists attempt to model

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the nature of dark energy which we are

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now just now trying to figure out it's

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mysterious it's a force

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and it seems to be causing the universe

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to expand faster and faster

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and all of this based on past

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observations

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you know and cosmic expansion but in the

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team's model dark energy is not a

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constant force of nature

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they are saying it's

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an entity called quintessence

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which can decay

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over time

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the researchers found that even though

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the expansion of the universe has been

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accelerating for billions of years

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the force of dark energy may be

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weakening

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now according to their model the

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acceleration of the universe could

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rapidly end within the next

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then 25 million years later the universe

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would stop expanding altogether that's

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just in 100 million years

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and instead

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ins instead of uh

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expanding it stops and then

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slow contraction

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uh

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it could be a couple of billion years

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right but it would be the death of the

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universe

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and then they're saying right i'm

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down to nothing

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and then possibly a rebirth

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that this would do a hard reset

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now they're saying that this could

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happen actually fairly quickly

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and the co-author of the study his name

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is paul steinhardt he's the director of

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the princeton center of theoretical

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science of princeton university in new

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jersey

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and because

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and this is where it gets funky for me

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because the model hinges on past

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observations right and i get that right

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all right

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but the past observations are just on

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expansion

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and because the present nature of dark

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energy in the universe

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is

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it's a it's a mystery right so nobody

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know we can't see it that's why it's

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called dark energy we can't measure it

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you know and

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the predictions in this paper

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are currently impossible to test you

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can't do it it's hard enough to measure

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anything in physics

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so for now

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this is just a thought experiment to me

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right it's just a theory anybody can

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have a theory

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now since the 1990s

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scientists have understood that the

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expansion of the universe is speeding up

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we know this i talk about it nearly

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every single day on this show the space

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between galaxies is widening faster and

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faster

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right except for between us and

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andromeda that's another story

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scientists named the mysterious source

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of this acceleration dark energy

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all right and that's ominous just right

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there

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right dark energy you can't see it it's

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invisible and it's the opposite of

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gravity it's pushing

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instead of pulling doesn't make any

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sense

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right

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it's actually pushing galaxies farther

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apart

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rather than normal gravity which is

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sucking everything together

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the paper actually suggests that the

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accelerated expansion of the universe is

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already slowing down

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i don't know where they get that from i

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don't it's just a theory

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but how can they measure that it's

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slowing down

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all right

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their calculations suggest

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that within 65 million years that

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acceleration would stop all together

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right

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and that's it and then after that

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it's going to stop dark energy is going

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to trip out instead of becoming uh

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pushing

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it's going to be attractive

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energy is going to do a flip flop

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and then everything's going to get

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sucked in it's going to contract in

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other words

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after nearly 14 billion years of growth

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i read about this stuff every single day

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and i love new theories and i love new

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ideas

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this is just a little bit too radical

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for me

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because according to the team's model

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it would take a few billion years of

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slow contraction for the universe to

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reach about half the size as it is today

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the observable universe the universe

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okay it's a 90 billion light years

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across

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and it's going to be half that size

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in just a couple of billion years

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say what

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right all the matter now this is this is

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when we talk about

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something from nothing right that

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everything

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came from nothing it was just an

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accident

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boom blows up

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gases get crazy particles go nuts dust

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accumulates gravity gets sucked together

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hydrogen and things and stars are formed

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and galaxies that all came from

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literally

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nothing

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right and that this everything that

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formed

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is going to contract back into nothing

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i don't see how that's

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possible now if you think about it from

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there

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two things could happen either

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the universe contracts until it

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collapses in on itself

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right

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ending everything as we know it or the

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universe contracts just enough

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to return to a state similar to original

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conditions

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right now

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is it possible

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okay so let's let's just let's just go

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dark energy

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is pushing it's the opposite of gravity

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okay so let's accept that and that it's

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going to get to a point where it's going

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to stop pushing and then dark energy is

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going to flip-flop and it's going to

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turn back into gravity and suck

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everything back in

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will it flip-flop again will there be an

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area of stability

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right where the universe contracts and

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00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,799
then just stops and stays where it is

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is it possible that dark energy will

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flip-flop again and the universe turns

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on and expands again

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is there no balance in the middle

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right pressure

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and that everything just sucks back in

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on top of itself that includes our star

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system and then the milky way and every

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galaxy trillions of galaxies all

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compressed back into what

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into what

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a giant rock

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there's space in between all atoms so

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does it just continue to contract

633
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into just a massive

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it's like the craziest paper

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i've ever read

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now

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everything is a theory

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00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,039
okay

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00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,480
right now they haven't presented

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any

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that the expansion is slowing down

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00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,840
if it is indeed slowing down and this

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gets measured

644
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:49,520
we got to go back to edwin hubble

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and and what happened in 1922 proven in

646
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:55,919
1928 when the papers were first released

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and then of course in 1995 96 97 and 98

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four years of research about the

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ex accelerating expansion of the

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universe

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it's crazy times that we live in

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00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,120
and that's why i do this show it's just

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a quest for knowledge

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let's do this ride together this is fade

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to black speaking of knowledge

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that's tonight's show

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richard dolan is with us richard dolan

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is here tonight it is

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the interview

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all of that coming up after this short

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break i'm your host jimmy church this is

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fade to black i'm the game changer and

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all right welcome back fade to black

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tonight

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interview

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yeah

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richard one of the world's leading

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researchers and writers on the subject

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of ufos

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he truly believes that they constitute

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00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,760
the greatest mystery of our time

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he completed his graduate work at the

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university of rochester where he studied

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u.s cold war strategy

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00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,159
european history and international

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00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,560
diplomacy he also studied at alfred

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university in oxford university he's the

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00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,200
author of ufos in the national security

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state a.d after disclosure ufos in the

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21st century mind and his latest the

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00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,000
alien agendas a speculative analysis

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00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,879
of those visiting earth his weekly

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fireside chat video podcast with his

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latest thoughts

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is over at richard dolan members he is

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currently featured on several television

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series and documentaries including

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ancient aliens hanger one the ufo files

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and of course that new spectacular

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feature film the observers i would like

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to welcome back to fade to black

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the one and only

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rick

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richard

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00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,079
good evening my man how you doing hey

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00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,159
jimmy thanks for having me on here i

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00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,760
like our new format we got the little

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00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,000
video thing happening here it's about

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time

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of of of interviews uh started out with

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no video right right and then and then

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00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,200
right and then then it was just my mug

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00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,760
and nobody got to see you but me

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and uh

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00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,079
no one has ever seen would have looked

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00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:18,000
like until just now

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i don't think i've ever done a video

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00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,320
thing so

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00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,800
thank you i appreciate it yeah this is

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this is uh completely awesome okay

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so um

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by the way you were getting your

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00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,800
astronomy groove going in that last

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segment

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00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,640
that was kind of interesting you had me

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00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,640
laughing i don't know which one of us

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00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,560
was stoned either you or me because i'm

788
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,680
thinking

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00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:41,839
you're talking about rewinding the

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universe's clock in 65 million years

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00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:46,079
uh

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00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,280
first of all

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not me you lost me you lost me like two

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00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,119
minutes in

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i'm like i can't even follow what this

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00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:55,920
guy's talking about yeah i know

797
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,359
i read this paper today richard and

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and i'm thinking to myself how crazy is

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this

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you know when you have a peer-reviewed

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paper like that from princeton

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00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,520
university

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00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,320
and throwing this wild theory out there

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00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,359
that we're slowing down already i don't

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think i believe it i don't think i

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believe it

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00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,119
yeah i'm i'm an astronomical expert but

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00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,440
it just seems a little it seems a little

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00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,280
uh not plausible

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00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,960
because our universe by all the

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00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:28,480
measurements i think is thirteen point

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six

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thirty thirteen point eight

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00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,359
yeah let's go eight billion years old

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00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:35,920
so that's that's a 65 million years is

816
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,280
like a sliver so by their calculations

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we just happen to be almost exactly

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right now at the turning point of the

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universe something just doesn't seem

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right to me

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it doesn't seem right that's all

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if there is okay so let's let's stop and

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00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:54,960
examine what you just said and this is a

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perfect starting point for the interview

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00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,000
is this yeah i still don't know what

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00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,599
that's going to be about yeah i know

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00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,599
right right right right and we already

828
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:05,359
passed up the good stuff so don't think

829
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,720
i haven't that i've lost my ability to

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00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,599
have memory so we know what the opening

831
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,440
uh question is going to be but let's

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00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,280
circle back to that since you've taken

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00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,480
control

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of the interview by the way i'm still

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00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,760
the host richard

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00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:21,520
uh yeah i'm still the host i know what

837
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,400
you're thinking is this

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edwin hubble

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in 1922

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00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,320
stopped

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00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:33,040
albert einstein in his tracks albert

842
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,200
einstein stated that the universe was

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static

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and that was the you know nothing's

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00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,240
moving right it's static and that was

846
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:44,640
that was einstein and and you know he

847
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,880
published his papers in o5 and 15 16 17

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00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,160
um in the 1900s 1922 edwin hubble right

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00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,720
here mount wilson he's up there with his

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00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:56,079
telescope

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00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,119
and he

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00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,079
sees that the universe is moving

853
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,200
and so he uh went public about this and

854
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,230
nope everything's static so they got it

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00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,760
out in the back room not many people

856
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,680
know about that whole thing they had it

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00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:13,440
out they had it out so

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uh

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einstein has to go up to the observatory

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on mount wilson which had the biggest

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00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,520
telescope in the world at that time

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00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,560
einstein looks through himself

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and looks at the the the plates the

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photographs that were taken

865
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,359
sure enough blue shift right there

866
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,880
something's going on

867
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,079
that the stars have moved galaxies have

868
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,960
moved well anyway so isn't it red shift

869
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,280
uh it depends on what direction well if

870
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,720
they're going away from you i think it's

871
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:45,760
red shift right red or blue

872
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,240
so the point being einstein had to say

873
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:56,870
exactly they had to eat the straw hats

874
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,150
it was a gnarly thing so

875
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,880
it was so radical

876
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,480
that it took

877
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,200
six almost seven years

878
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,680
for hubble's paper to get published and

879
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,040
accepted

880
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:18,000
wow okay but so 19 going into this i'm

881
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,160
quite yeah yeah so 1928 uh to 1995-ish

882
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:28,000
the universe is expanding in 1995 96 97

883
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:29,119
98

884
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,240
uh

885
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,320
four teams of researchers they all get

886
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,839
together they're looking at this and

887
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,920
they find out

888
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,720
that

889
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,320
yeah it's expanding

890
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,640
but it's accelerating

891
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,880
and that at the edges of everything

892
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,119
space is expanding

893
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,640
at the speed of light or faster right

894
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,320
this is what we have believed for a

895
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:51,440
while now

896
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,680
now all of this richard is measured

897
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,520
that's a difference right this isn't a

898
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,560
theory

899
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:00,079
this is measured

900
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,040
and now

901
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,760
it's accepted that's where we are today

902
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,839
that's why this paper today being

903
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,040
published

904
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,280
saying that we've already started to

905
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,040
slow down

906
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,680
and that 65 million years from now

907
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,040
things are gonna

908
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,880
right hit the brakes

909
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,200
and then start to reverse

910
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:21,359
you need to have the data to back that

911
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,079
up

912
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,240
yeah i don't know it seems it seems like

913
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:27,040
a stretch but we will see

914
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,920
now

915
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,839
this is okay let's just get this out of

916
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,000
the way yes sir last song you listened

917
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,200
to today

918
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,440
um i don't know the name of it so most

919
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,680
of the day we had our we had a pandora

920
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,400
station playing bossa nova

921
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,880
oh so uh stan getz

922
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,440
alberto the girl from ipanema one of one

923
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,119
of our all-time faves tracy and i had

924
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,760
that on but then we switched it out

925
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,680
onto some uh like

926
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,920
classical spanish guitar

927
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,079
which was awesome stuff and i just don't

928
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,319
know the name of the last tune i heard

929
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,240
but it was

930
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:02,560
it was all it was great it's like how do

931
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,870
you don't so it was uh it was wonderful

932
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,599
i just don't know the name of it and had

933
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,760
i remembered that i would be doing this

934
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,599
with you i would have taken the uh the

935
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,079
tune down but elastic okay all right uh

936
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,960
uh uh i'm i'm buying what you're selling

937
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,520
uh going back to bossa nova before we

938
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,280
move forward because i'm gonna stay on

939
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:29,440
the subject that we're on

940
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,200
frank sinatra's album with joe bean

941
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,040
i don't think i know that one and i love

942
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:37,119
i love sonata i just i don't think i

943
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,160
know that

944
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,440
they do the girl for me benima oh really

945
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,760
yeah i bet he did a great job with it

946
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:46,000
well it's joe beams did everything well

947
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,960
except

948
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,960
hey jude he didn't do that one well that

949
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,800
was a big myth

950
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,960
he really he should have passed

951
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,359
on doing the beatles

952
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,520
you know it's just it's not a it's not a

953
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:59,520
good sound but he did everything else

954
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,359
superb he's

955
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,359
the thing is with frank

956
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,920
you know if you go back to where he was

957
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,880
at that point dude was king of the world

958
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,160
so whatever

959
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,960
whatever he thought about that day

960
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:17,440
whatever it was on he could do

961
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,119
so one morning he woke up and said hey

962
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,880
jude

963
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,359
i'm happy hey i'm at peace

964
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,280
i'm gonna do that

965
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:29,920
he was he probably i did hear it once

966
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,040
years ago and i just laughed but um

967
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,839
i bet he did a great girl from ipanema

968
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,520
oh it's amazing i don't think i've heard

969
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,640
that um

970
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,680
after the show tonight um

971
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,119
there is

972
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,400
uh on frank sinatra's tv show

973
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,160
it's in black and white

974
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,160
him and joe being doing the girl from

975
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:52,319
ipanema live

976
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,079
and it's man i'm telling you right now

977
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,400
and so they ended up doing a whole album

978
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,400
of uh bossa nova together

979
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,720
and uh it's it is truly great it's

980
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,599
magnificent i mean it's it was the rage

981
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,480
in the mid 60s it really uh it made a

982
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,640
big breakthrough

983
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:12,800
i'm gonna go on the record you got bach

984
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,400
you got beethoven vivaldi elvis

985
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,520
and frank and joe bean it's it's like

986
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,240
that it's it's that great i would have a

987
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,839
slightly different ranking in there but

988
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,200
yeah that's that's good stuff right

989
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,560
there

990
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,160
now it's just like we all have the

991
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,200
different tastes that's what makes it so

992
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,760
what is it

993
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,920
that we know

994
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,400
and the question is framed around what

995
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,560
we were just talking about

996
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,440
that

997
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,960
man

998
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:44,960
has the ability

999
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,240
to not only think about

1000
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,400
the small

1001
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,680
life

1002
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,400
right and contemplate consciousness

1003
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,520
but we can also think about

1004
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,920
the great yeah the biggest of the big

1005
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,520
the universe

1006
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,000
and as far as i know

1007
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,480
monkeys don't do this they might right

1008
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,880
but as far as i know

1009
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,480
dogs can't

1010
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,359
right

1011
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,440
uh a bass swimming

1012
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,359
in a in a pond

1013
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,400
can't

1014
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,400
but we can

1015
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:21,200
and how significant is that and how much

1016
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,800
do we really know

1017
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,960
i'd like you to know that you you

1018
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,200
actually are asking the um the same

1019
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,040
question that was put about 400 years

1020
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,440
ago by the the great genius blaise

1021
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,640
pascal

1022
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,880
in his pontes and uh

1023
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,480
i recommend that to anyone that's just

1024
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,319
amazing stuff but he he talked about the

1025
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,359
same thing he said like we are we humans

1026
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,200
we're kind of in between like the

1027
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,800
greatest of the big and the tiniest of

1028
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,160
the little he said and we don't really

1029
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,599
know much about either

1030
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:52,400
where where um if you go down into the

1031
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,760
most infinitesimally small

1032
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,520
atom of nature

1033
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,319
he's writing around the year 1600 and he

1034
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:02,079
said you know we we really don't we

1035
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,680
don't understand that stuff and and

1036
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,240
similarly the distance between us and

1037
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,400
that is every bit as great as the

1038
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,480
distance between us and the greatest of

1039
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,640
the great you know beyond the greatest

1040
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:14,319
reaches of this universe how whatever

1041
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,280
that is

1042
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,680
he knew a lot less scientifically people

1043
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,000
knew than we do now but he had the right

1044
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,760
idea he's like we are

1045
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,760
we're we're at this we're kind of in the

1046
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,880
middle

1047
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,119
and we were able to get knowledge of

1048
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,520
certain things about the nature of our

1049
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,680
existence but he said there's just so

1050
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,720
much

1051
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:34,640
he he suspected that we'll just never

1052
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,440
know

1053
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,440
and i i agree with that in uh

1054
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,720
fundamentally i mean we have learned a

1055
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,280
lot since that and what you're asking

1056
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,040
is essentially the same thing it's like

1057
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,640
what what can we really know

1058
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:48,160
do the other animals ask the same

1059
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,599
questions i think the answer is they do

1060
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,520
not i think we're unique in that way

1061
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,359
yeah

1062
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,839
but for us it's only been a recent thing

1063
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,640
i'm really i'm deeply deeply into the

1064
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,599
history of human species and

1065
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,119
trying to understand that i mean part of

1066
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,599
it was um

1067
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,520
appearing on the tv show ancient aliens

1068
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,640
i mean i've always been interested in

1069
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,640
ancient history but uh they put me on

1070
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,640
ancient aliens

1071
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,520
and

1072
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,000
you know i i'm constantly asking like

1073
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,920
all right is there this big hole in our

1074
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,000
ancient history where what are we really

1075
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,720
from what's our actual origins

1076
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,680
and i think about this a lot um

1077
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:27,280
what's interesting is that most

1078
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,119
paleoanthropologists today believe

1079
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,839
that human language like the articulated

1080
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,280
language that we have sophisticated

1081
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,240
language let's say is not that old

1082
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,200
it might be 50 000 years ago maybe 60

1083
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,800
000 years but they don't believe much

1084
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,640
longer than that and i i think they're

1085
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,079
probably right i've got my own reasons

1086
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,160
for thinking that so if that's the case

1087
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,720
we we've only you can't really have

1088
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,599
sophisticated concepts without some kind

1089
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,440
of articulated

1090
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,720
language

1091
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,800
to express those concepts to think

1092
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,119
abstractly for example which is really

1093
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,960
what all of this is

1094
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,440
so 50 000 years is not a long time

1095
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,589
and certainly i don't think any of the

1096
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,599
other animals that have evolved on earth

1097
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,240
have that ability so

1098
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,920
now i think that there are other beings

1099
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,079
in this universe that have that ability

1100
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,480
but in terms of what we can learn

1101
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,480
hey we're only a few thousand years out

1102
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,800
of you know little huts and horses that

1103
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,640
pull wooden carts

1104
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,720
we've only just gotten out of that stage

1105
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,280
and we're only now moving into

1106
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,240
the really crazy stage of human history

1107
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,079
what i call the transient stage four

1108
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,839
what i always call you know you go from

1109
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,200
hunting hunting and gathering to

1110
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,440
agriculture to science and industry and

1111
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:43,280
now to this new

1112
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,400
uh

1113
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,440
crazy

1114
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,720
basically unnatural but inevitable stage

1115
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:50,880
where we're into uh strong artificial

1116
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,880
intelligence quantum computing um data

1117
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
analysis beyond anything that we could

1118
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,119
have ever imagined in the past

1119
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:00,880
and everything else that goes along with

1120
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
it so we're we're just only now

1121
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,800
entering that where

1122
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,079
we'll probably

1123
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,480
our descendants or our robot descendants

1124
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,079
will probably know these

1125
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,160
a little bit more than we do but i think

1126
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,599
you know the nature of existence is

1127
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,720
there's always going to be things that

1128
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,480
you just never know

1129
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:20,720
are we

1130
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,400
than

1131
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,960
we have been in the past in that yes we

1132
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,520
have an accumulation of knowledge

1133
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,440
right we have that and we build upon

1134
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:34,559
that and create an invent off of that

1135
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,720
but our brain itself is it smarter

1136
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,680
and more developed than say 10 000 years

1137
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,839
ago no no

1138
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,559
yeah you had a stone age man

1139
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,920
right that actually sat and contemplated

1140
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,839
about

1141
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,160
changing wheat

1142
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,000
right now think about that for a second

1143
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,359
right that you are going to domesticate

1144
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,960
wheat

1145
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,040
that is a heavy

1146
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:05,200
talk about thinking of the very small

1147
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,359
right yeah that you are going to change

1148
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,480
wheat

1149
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,400
you're not hunting that happened over a

1150
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,400
few thousand years but yes like your

1151
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,720
point is exactly right on and

1152
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,880
to the point of the ancient people look

1153
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,400
let's just be real none of us would

1154
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,839
survive a week

1155
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,760
uh out in the wild the way those those

1156
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,599
people did in that environment

1157
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:28,079
with their tools i don't think we would

1158
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,040
um

1159
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,640
even you know the most hardy

1160
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,800
survivalists of today no they have

1161
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,240
modern weapons they've got they've got

1162
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,240
rifles they've got uh you know modern

1163
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,559
clothing no no no like if we had to

1164
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,839
survive the way

1165
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:42,079
our ancestors of 10 or 20 000 years ago

1166
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,040
did we

1167
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,520
i don't think any many most people would

1168
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,520
not make it so there's intelligence

1169
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,599
that's involved there and toughness and

1170
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,200
a lot of other things plus their brains

1171
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,880
were larger

1172
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,200
by the size about a tennis ball larger

1173
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,280
so so the process of civilization has

1174
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,119
shrunk our brains it doesn't mean that

1175
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,200
we're dumber but it

1176
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,349
i mean you can say it's more efficient

1177
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,559
because it doesn't require as much

1178
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,880
energy so that's a plus but

1179
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,559
but even look over the last couple of

1180
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,920
hundred years i don't think that we're

1181
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,079
smarter i think we're probably actually

1182
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,599
less

1183
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,240
and it's hard to say like you have uh

1184
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,000
experts in this they argue about this

1185
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
all the time like there are people who

1186
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,359
say no no iq is going up people actually

1187
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,720
are more intelligent

1188
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,200
but uh there are very strong arguments

1189
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,040
that were that say that we are less

1190
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,960
intelligent than our great grandparents

1191
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,119
about of a century ago

1192
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,960
so there's different ways of looking at

1193
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,119
it but uh

1194
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,720
we're we certainly have a society in

1195
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,480
which people are very like kind of

1196
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,839
passively

1197
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,319
accepting a lot of information

1198
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,559
uh there are there are individuals who

1199
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,240
are like very active into like

1200
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,480
researching and learning things and

1201
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,920
but i don't know if that's actually more

1202
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,440
intelligence

1203
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,800
you know yeah i don't know if it's

1204
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,599
smarter and and yeah right

1205
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,400
here's here's uh another example this is

1206
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,680
i'm talking about you specifically

1207
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,000
30 years ago

1208
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,359
you had to have a map in your glove box

1209
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,440
for emergencies

1210
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,200
that's it everything else

1211
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,440
it was right here you knew how to drive

1212
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,160
across town you knew all this you you

1213
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,599
knew the streets

1214
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:21,599
you knew phone numbers

1215
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,280
everything was in your head

1216
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,440
all of your friends phone numbers all of

1217
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,960
your friends

1218
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,559
were in your head well we we had our

1219
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,400
little devices i had a little uh was

1220
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,800
those day timers which was written you

1221
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,960
write things down like we did keep

1222
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,160
records

1223
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,839
30 years ago

1224
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,400
we weren't like uh reciting epic poetry

1225
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,800
to get to crosstown like to remember

1226
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,119
things so we were keeping records but

1227
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,280
yes it wasn't like there's no gps that's

1228
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,400
for sure

1229
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:53,440
and and and so today richard dolan gets

1230
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,640
in his car

1231
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,480
do you look at your gps when you're just

1232
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,119
driving across town oh god yeah all the

1233
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,760
time i'm totally tackled

1234
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:04,800
so are you smarter or are you lazier and

1235
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,319
is this damaging our brains

1236
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,160
i don't know i don't i don't know if

1237
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,160
that is that maybe

1238
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,680
maybe it is

1239
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,280
i mean think about someone who spends

1240
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:17,280
time in solitary confinement you know

1241
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,520
that they suffer

1242
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,280
tremendous cognitive loss

1243
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,520
because they're not because you don't

1244
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:26,319
get uh the stimulation

1245
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,119
that

1246
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,520
an active brain requires

1247
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,800
so that's just a fact so we we need

1248
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,040
stimulation to our minds

1249
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,200
to stay intelligent

1250
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,240
and you could argue that the gps is just

1251
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,319
one more thing to take

1252
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,440
you know another thing that you don't

1253
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,720
have to worry about doing you don't have

1254
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,760
to think about going across town

1255
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,359
and of course that's that's in our

1256
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,480
entire world is built now on elim like

1257
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,040
eliminating all risk for people

1258
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,720
everything now is about safety safety

1259
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,680
safety

1260
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,559
which is hugely damaging to us

1261
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,160
i think

1262
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:04,559
but also like by eliminating all of

1263
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,440
these

1264
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,280
variables

1265
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,200
that that

1266
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,040
these unpredictable elements of life

1267
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,319
that we just have all the time

1268
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,839
one could really make an argument i'm

1269
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:17,359
sure someone's studying this i hope they

1270
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,160
are

1271
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,319
that it is dulling

1272
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,760
very much dulling our cognitive

1273
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,920
capabilities and look

1274
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,040
just

1275
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,720
anecdotally i don't know about you i

1276
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,520
talk every time i have a teacher friend

1277
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,319
someone who's like in the teaching biz i

1278
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:34,480
i've got this like

1279
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:37,520
um obsession with asking them how bad is

1280
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,480
it now

1281
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,400
like i'm always doing this

1282
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,160
it's like when you drive by a car

1283
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,559
accident you have to look i do this with

1284
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,960
all of my any like friends of the family

1285
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,559
or family members who are teachers and

1286
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:50,079
there's a few

1287
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,200
uh

1288
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,240
i'm always asking and and the answer is

1289
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,480
always the same

1290
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,960
the answer is oh god it is so much worse

1291
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,880
no time

1292
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:03,040
yeah like we're done don't get old

1293
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,079
because those people are going to be

1294
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,920
taking care of you

1295
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,960
don't get old so now

1296
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,400
young people listening are like you know

1297
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:12,319
screw you boomer

1298
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,119
but

1299
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:16,079
um i hear it all the time and i do think

1300
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,880
like

1301
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,000
uh there have been a number of

1302
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,440
psychological studies that have shown

1303
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,040
like uh curiosity is much less among

1304
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,359
young people like curiosity can be

1305
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:26,960
measured in various ways

1306
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,599
and uh ability to you know

1307
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,640
handle structures

1308
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,960
these these qualities are

1309
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,359
that seem to be going away in at least

1310
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,480
in western

1311
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,440
kids

1312
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,280
so i think you know the the society that

1313
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,720
we're developing basically bubble

1314
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:44,799
wrapping people and safeties

1315
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:48,079
is uh certainly having massive

1316
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,280
bad echo

1317
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,680
of psychological effects and probably

1318
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,200
one of the reasons we're having a rise

1319
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,960
of mental illness i'm sure there's many

1320
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,640
others but that and like all the drugs

1321
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:58,079
that giving kids

1322
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,960
um

1323
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,280
and just the way that you know the world

1324
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,200
that they're living in which is like

1325
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,960
don't go across the street

1326
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,400
oh you want to go play with your friend

1327
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,240
well we'll set up a play date like all

1328
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,480
of this craziness

1329
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,520
um

1330
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,280
this bubble i didn't have that you

1331
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,200
didn't have that yeah but no no we

1332
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,640
simply didn't

1333
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,440
if it all came to a crashing end right

1334
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,680
and we we stared it in the face you know

1335
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,920
over the last two years but let's say it

1336
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,440
all comes to an end

1337
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,480
and there are no ipads there are no cell

1338
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,440
phones

1339
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,240
and you turn

1340
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,119
to

1341
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,119
uh 20 year old

1342
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,319
and say

1343
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,200
write a note for me and

1344
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,440
take that to the next village

1345
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,240
and let them know that we have food

1346
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:45,680
they're gonna say

1347
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,839
i can't

1348
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,079
write what do you mean you can't write

1349
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,480
you just graduated high school

1350
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,040
they don't teach writing anymore now

1351
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,920
that's a crazy statement but it's also

1352
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,839
fact

1353
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,280
like they actually don't you mean

1354
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,720
penmanship or even like actually they

1355
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,520
don't teach writing in school

1356
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,920
like how to spell how to put a sentence

1357
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,000
together grammar are you talking like

1358
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:12,559
that i i have 220 they'll teach you to

1359
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,520
type

1360
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,280
right you can try but writing

1361
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,520
no and yeah having a pen and paper right

1362
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:22,240
okay pen and paper that nobody's writing

1363
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,150
that's crazy to me yeah well i don't

1364
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,480
necessarily mourn the passing of that i

1365
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,160
mean i think writing is a it's a

1366
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,680
beautiful

1367
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,839
it's it's actually just a wonderful

1368
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,400
historical thing that

1369
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,640
i i don't like to see go away but but

1370
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,200
actual writing in other words the art of

1371
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,960
communication

1372
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,359
and putting it down whether digitally or

1373
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,440
or on paper that to me that's what

1374
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,720
writing is

1375
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,400
and there are definitely very good

1376
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,640
writers uh in who are you know in their

1377
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,079
teens and twenties out there who are

1378
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,559
talented but there's i think generally

1379
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,079
speaking it's fair to say that the

1380
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,960
quality of communications declined

1381
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,960
uh each generation i think the

1382
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,040
sophistication of

1383
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,799
and the ability to spell just basic

1384
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,079
things like that it's definitely gone

1385
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,359
down

1386
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,559
yeah i mean

1387
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,359
like i said if it all had to you know if

1388
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:18,799
it all ended

1389
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,200
we've got to start back at scratch

1390
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,480
right and we've got to teach kids i mean

1391
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,520
no one would survive like if you lost

1392
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,599
forget even like if you lose forget

1393
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,440
electricity like if we lost electricity

1394
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,920
we're done but even if we lost internet

1395
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,520
uh connectivity

1396
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,359
i don't think most people would survive

1397
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,040
i think people would just

1398
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,440
uh everything is dependent on it

1399
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:44,000
and by the way like i i am one of these

1400
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,880
i'm

1401
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,040
i did an interview with a really cool

1402
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,400
group of guys about a couple of months

1403
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,760
ago and at the end of it i heard them

1404
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,200
talking about me after i signed off

1405
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,119
they're like i really like richard but i

1406
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,680
think he's really super black-pilled

1407
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,520
and i thought oh man like

1408
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,520
right right blackfield meaning like

1409
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,880
you're not just red-pilled you're just

1410
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,559
so pill like it's like put your head

1411
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,839
between your knees and kiss your ass

1412
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,839
goodbye that's blackpill because it's

1413
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,640
done there's no hope and i have many

1414
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,319
days when i am totally black belt i

1415
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,480
can't lie about it i think that our

1416
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:15,760
society our civilization is in a bad bad

1417
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:16,799
way

1418
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,200
how to pull it out

1419
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,880
how to make it better is

1420
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,720
i think about this all the time i don't

1421
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,079
have answers i keep thinking about it

1422
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,240
though i want to find an answer

1423
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,480
um you know like i want to be idealistic

1424
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,079
and say oh yeah let's have ufo

1425
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,079
disclosure and that'll fix it

1426
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,559
um yeah that's a nice fond thought

1427
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,400
uh or let's you know let's get other

1428
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,400
types of truth out there and fight the

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00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,640
system fight the power yeah you know i

1430
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,640
mean we're in the midst of uh of a

1431
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,160
massive global revolution i've been

1432
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:47,680
talking about this a lot i know it's

1433
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,720
true global slash globalist revolution

1434
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,119
it is happening those people are not

1435
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,440
going to stop unless they are absolutely

1436
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,440
forced to stop and right now no one's

1437
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,839
stopping them so and it's a totalitarian

1438
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,680
global police state that's happening

1439
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,960
that's happening

1440
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,960
and um

1441
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,040
in which you know our ability to make

1442
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,720
decisions for ourselves is being

1443
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,319
siphoned out

1444
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,319
by every every day every week we now

1445
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:13,839
have department of homeland security

1446
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,960
trying to tell you what's disinformation

1447
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,400
what you're not supposed to believe what

1448
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,400
are you messing with by by run by a lady

1449
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,680
by the way who got the hundred biden

1450
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,319
laptop thing one thousand percent wrong

1451
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,720
calling that russian disinfo uh she's

1452
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,599
supposed to be an expert in

1453
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,240
disinformation yeah well you just proved

1454
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,640
like you're a complete amateur but she's

1455
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,720
running it and um

1456
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,720
we'll see how that goes but that's just

1457
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,520
the latest you know we're where

1458
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,680
that's one one like just throw it in the

1459
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,359
pile that's just one of the latest facts

1460
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,440
we've got a ton of them they're coming

1461
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,920
at us and it's a war against people and

1462
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:50,319
um it's a war against human cognition

1463
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,520
you know if you really want to get down

1464
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:52,559
to it

1465
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,359
well we'll take a break right here i i

1466
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,839
saw the tweet uh

1467
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,760
a couple of days ago from whitley

1468
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,040
whitley strieber

1469
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:03,280
and very brief but he said i don't know

1470
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,119
how we did it but we've managed to uh

1471
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,319
cause the end of the united states right

1472
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,319
i'm paraphrasing

1473
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,480
but you know what i just it stopped me

1474
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,040
in my tracks you know whitley uh

1475
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:18,960
somebody that we you know unknown

1476
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,079
respect but it was just it was a strange

1477
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,799
tweet to come out of nowhere let's uh

1478
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,319
let's take our break right here this is

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01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,559
fade to black tonight the one and only

1480
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:31,359
richard dolan joins us for

1481
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,309
more with richard when we come back

1482
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,839
after this short break i'm your chevy

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01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,440
church this is fade to black and the

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01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,000
game changer and unex networks raise

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01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:44,000
hobbs we'll be right back after this

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01:00:51,250 --> 01:00:45,520
short break

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[Music]

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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damn it

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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always wanted your first crystal skull

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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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but you just don't know where to go to

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find the real thing

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then i met carolyn ford over at

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hi racehobbes with the x obviously if

1541
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,200
you're listening to this you have an

1542
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,520
interest in unexplained phenomena like

1543
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,880
ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

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01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,200
know that we have our own ex-blog the

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01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,319
next newsletter and the annex magazine

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quarterly but most of you don't know

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that we have started our very own

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paranormal conference and this year for

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safety this two-day ex-con will be

1550
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,480
virtual so you can attend from the

1551
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,720
comfort of your home ex-con presenters

1552
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,039
include whitley strieber micah hanks

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01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,599
margie k and preston dennett lisa martin

1554
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:51,920
and wayne lawrence lee spiegel debbie

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01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,200
zagelmeyer dan terry kate grabowski and

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ray hernandez there will also be a live

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riverside iowa paranormal team so come

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hang out with us in the safety of home

1560
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:08,000
as we set out to explain the unexplained

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01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,480
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church on onixnetwork.com

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hi this is ray sobs here repping the

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01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:32,720
planet and you're listening to my good

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01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,280
friend jimmy church fade to black

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01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,520
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don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

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we're the honey brothers

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01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,480
hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church a

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[Music]

1592
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,400
welcome back fate to black i am your

1593
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,119
host jimmy church tonight richard dolan

1594
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,960
is with us

1595
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:00,000
tonight it is the interview

1596
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:02,839
i'm gonna get inside i'm gonna get

1597
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,559
inside of richard's mind

1598
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,119
that's that's what i'm going to attempt

1599
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,760
to do tonight now richard

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01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,000
yes

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01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:15,599
a baby deer

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01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,799
born

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01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,359
right and you see the videos shaking

1604
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,640
legs

1605
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:22,960
looking around at the world you know

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01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,599
discovering things for a bubbling brook

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01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,880
go up and drink water for the first time

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right

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01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,280
that was the ufo community in 1947

1610
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,640
right

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01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:36,160
and and

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01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:37,359
between

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01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:38,319
then

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01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,839
and now like that baby deer growing up

1615
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,079
what have we learned in the last 47

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01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,400
years

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01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:48,559
yeah so we've learned

1618
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,280
things about this phenomenon itself and

1619
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:53,119
we've learned things about the world

1620
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,039
that we inhabit like and we've learned

1621
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,280
things about ourselves

1622
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:59,039
as well so we've we've learned a lot

1623
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,799
like you can't just

1624
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:02,880
look at uh what we've learned in terms

1625
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,440
of the ufo subject

1626
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,440
uh in isolation from everything else

1627
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,799
that we've learned

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01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,200
i don't think that's realistic uh like

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01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,799
you know here you were talking earlier

1630
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,160
about

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01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,039
new developments in astronomy and

1632
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,599
we learned a lot from the 1940s to the

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01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,480
21st century and we learned a lot about

1634
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,920
our own origins and our own past

1635
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:27,359
as well and that i think that is

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significant

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01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,720
and we've also learned a tremendous

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01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,760
amount about

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01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:33,680
leading-edge scientific concepts like

1640
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:34,960
space-time

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01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,240
metric engineering and wormholes and

1642
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:40,400
traversable wormholes if that's possible

1643
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:41,119
and

1644
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,480
all of these other things in science

1645
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,799
which did not uh

1646
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,559
were not really understood or even

1647
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:48,799
thought about in the 1940s

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01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:52,160
and all of that's important because

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01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:56,480
uh the more science you know

1650
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,440
like

1651
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,039
that's going to affect your conception

1652
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:01,280
of what these other beings are

1653
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:05,520
so for example in 1947 48 49

1654
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:06,640
you know you have you have people

1655
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,599
thinking wow did did aliens just get

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01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,400
here

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01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,200
no

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01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,760
recognition of

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01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,199
the possibility that they may have been

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here for a little longer than 1947.

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01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,480
over time we soon learned oh yeah maybe

1662
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,159
there's as evidence that they've been

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01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,759
here a long time which

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01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,440
uh i believe that and i think many

1665
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:29,440
people also believe that

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01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:31,040
so that's something that we've been

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01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,080
starting to figure out and then the

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01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,759
other thing that we just didn't

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01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:35,520
know if you know at first it was like

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01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,400
all the

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01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,359
true strangeness

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01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,560
that is associated with this you

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01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,159
mentioned whitley streeberg just before

1674
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,600
the break and by the way tracy and i

1675
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:45,120
were talking a lot about whitley just

1676
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,239
today

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01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,400
uh we're reading the communion letters

1678
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,880
in fact she was over at rice university

1679
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,440
just last week reading the original

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01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,679
communion letters uh but to me i

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01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,359
consider that a really important book

1682
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,759
along with whitley's other works

1683
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,080
and what you get with with his work and

1684
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,759
that of many other

1685
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:05,920
abduction researchers is this idea of

1686
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,199
very high strangeness to the field

1687
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,400
and that's something that we didn't

1688
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,120
really have a good grasp on in the 1940s

1689
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,640
and 50s

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01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:17,040
this high strangeness you know you

1691
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,640
you could even see it in popular culture

1692
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,080
back then like the day the earth stood

1693
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,319
still it's like basically men

1694
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,719
maybe some women in metal spaceships

1695
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,400
with a robot or two

1696
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,319
coming to earth

1697
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,159
to uh

1698
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,040
you know learn about us i guess and

1699
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:35,359
all like nuts and bolts truly

1700
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,319
but

1701
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,960
uh whereas i'm still a proponent of

1702
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,799
trying to approach this in a so-called

1703
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,239
nuts and bolts fashion that is looking

1704
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,319
at the scientifically the fact is this

1705
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,359
is a very strange subject and

1706
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,359
um

1707
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,520
you know there's there's a lot of

1708
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,520
playing with our reality that goes on

1709
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,199
with this subject some of that just

1710
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,800
might be really really first-rate

1711
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,480
cognitive manipulation that they're able

1712
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,600
to do to us

1713
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:01,040
they're definitely able to play with our

1714
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:02,560
minds

1715
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:08,070
so

1716
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,520
there's a lot that we've learned about

1717
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,560
that

1718
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,159
our government or the people who are

1719
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,560
running the secrecy

1720
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,320
um

1721
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,840
you know i mean

1722
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,840
people like donald kehoe who was writing

1723
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,159
books about this in the 1950s

1724
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,400
had an understandable but what i would

1725
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,199
say a very deficient idea

1726
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,120
about his government

1727
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,120
uh kehoe's idea was look you know

1728
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,880
america

1729
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,040
this is a free country with a with a

1730
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,280
functioning democratic system

1731
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,640
and

1732
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,520
what we need to do is bring this matter

1733
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:46,560
before members of congress who are our

1734
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,679
elected officials and this is the proper

1735
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:51,920
way to deal with this

1736
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,640
so very important issue is bring it out

1737
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,320
in front of the public by our

1738
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,719
responsible elected officials and yes

1739
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,120
you know that's a great laudable idea

1740
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,840
and for someone living in the 1950s

1741
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,120
america

1742
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,800
yes of course you're going to believe

1743
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:09,040
that that's the viable solution of

1744
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,400
course you will

1745
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,719
uh what we've learned though over time i

1746
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,679
mean we

1747
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,040
a lot of this had nothing to do with

1748
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:17,040
ufos you know we went through

1749
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,159
learning about our government through

1750
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,159
vietnam through watergate through iran

1751
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,920
contra through

1752
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,120
uh

1753
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,640
you know the the

1754
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,560
international corporate revolution that

1755
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,000
happened after the end of the cold war

1756
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,000
through 9 11 through

1757
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,440
all the other shenanigans and now

1758
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,120
through covet we realize oh yeah our

1759
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,880
government actually are kind of like bad

1760
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,880
guys aren't they uh they're sort of like

1761
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,480
criminals aren't they yes they are

1762
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,520
criminals

1763
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,120
uh and then when you look at the the

1764
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,239
depth of the ufo secret you see also

1765
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:47,199
this is a deep deep deep deep deep

1766
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,320
secret

1767
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,760
so deep

1768
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
it's not just like

1769
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,960
the air force needs to tell us what they

1770
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:54,480
know that's what kehoe used to talk

1771
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,520
about are you kidding we're going into

1772
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,760
private corporate power and financial

1773
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,440
power that's behind the scenes we're

1774
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,920
talking lockheed and lockheed's secret

1775
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,440
divisions that we probably don't know

1776
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,000
about and and everything else so

1777
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,400
so it's it's secrecy within secrecy

1778
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,080
within secrecy

1779
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,800
so all of this it's it's much darker i

1780
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,400
guess is what i'm saying

1781
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,480
uh when we understand this now as we're

1782
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:20,719
well into the 21st century

1783
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:21,520
than

1784
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,920
say circa 1950 you're right like your

1785
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,760
analogy is right on but they were like

1786
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,320
bambi taking this first little sip of

1787
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,640
water in the stream

1788
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:32,480
but the other thing was this

1789
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,760
um

1790
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,199
i've often thought thought about this

1791
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,840
way it's like it's taken an entire human

1792
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,360
lifetime

1793
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,520
for us to kind of get

1794
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,159
these concepts like i don't really think

1795
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:46,000
it would have been possible

1796
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,679
for

1797
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,520
all but maybe the tiniest handful of

1798
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,040
human beings living on the planet in

1799
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:53,600
1950 to

1800
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,440
understand the truly warped bizarre

1801
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,560
nature of the alien presence here on

1802
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,159
planet earth

1803
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,560
like hybridization which i believe is

1804
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,320
real and is happening

1805
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,800
the the fact that they are in some

1806
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,840
manner or another probably quote walking

1807
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,480
among us as david jacobs wrote in one of

1808
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,040
his books and like those are really

1809
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,840
difficult difficult and terrifying

1810
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,880
topics

1811
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,560
to deal with

1812
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:25,120
and i think it just took a long long

1813
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:26,159
time

1814
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,960
for

1815
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,960
the world culturally

1816
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,960
to catch up

1817
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,960
to the reality of what we're probably

1818
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:34,400
facing i think it would have been very

1819
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,440
difficult

1820
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,840
if you're harry truman and it's 1947 and

1821
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,840
your generals are like general us

1822
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,320
president uh we we appear to have

1823
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,960
recovered alien technology

1824
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,679
should we tell the world like

1825
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,600
well there was a whole lot of unknowns

1826
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,920
at that time and as time has gone by

1827
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,760
those unknowns just become

1828
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,760
weirder and weirder

1829
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,520
is when i think

1830
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:58,800
now

1831
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,080
science is starting to catch up to

1832
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:05,360
uh what i believe the ufo community

1833
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,239
uh

1834
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,560
was willing to understand

1835
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:10,640
and and think about and contemplate and

1836
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:13,840
ponder which is that there there is a

1837
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,679
lot of life out there something is

1838
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,159
visiting us let's go and figure that out

1839
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,760
science is starting to catch up with

1840
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,280
that concept

1841
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:23,920
and where today

1842
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,199
we understand that there are literally

1843
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,159
40 or 50 billion earth-like planets just

1844
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:32,960
in our milky way not in the universe

1845
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,000
which is what we used to wonder about

1846
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:38,719
now we know that as science fact

1847
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:41,679
how is that starting to change uh when

1848
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,360
we talk about ufos and et and contact

1849
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,880
that's a great question

1850
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,480
well one thing you have to say is a

1851
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,040
scientist to their great discredit

1852
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,880
uh really failed to be empirical when it

1853
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,560
came to ufos

1854
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:56,560
right like all you have to i mean

1855
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,880
scientists had this knee-jerk uh

1856
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,800
reaction for decades and generations

1857
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,800
they still do to a large extent

1858
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,560
uh which is essentially saying it's

1859
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,239
impossible therefore it can't be like

1860
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,080
there's no way that they can get here

1861
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,280
from there because don't you know the

1862
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:11,040
distances are so great

1863
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,320
you know what are you stupid you think

1864
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,719
that there's all these big aliens here

1865
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,480
they can't possibly get here so don't

1866
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:18,000
even bother meanwhile they would never

1867
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,600
look at the evidence they would never

1868
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,360
look at the the ufo reports they would

1869
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,120
never look at the fact that

1870
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,679
the military that even in the 40s and

1871
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,679
50s was pretty expensive

1872
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,280
for its time

1873
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:31,040
our best guys would be chasing these

1874
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,000
things

1875
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,840
well what were they chasing

1876
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,679
they're describing disc shaped objects

1877
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,920
hovering and hanging out over sensitive

1878
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,520
installations and doing things that

1879
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,520
weren't supposed to be possible well

1880
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,600
you can say that this is impossible all

1881
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,880
you want but how do we explain these

1882
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,080
reports

1883
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,760
and the fact is that scientists and

1884
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,280
academicians

1885
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,320
frankly dishonestly i'd have to say

1886
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,640
dismiss this phenomenon with a wave of

1887
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,320
the hand because they just assumed that

1888
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,159
it was wasn't worth their time because

1889
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,600
they wouldn't look at it they weren't

1890
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,360
doing what real science demands which is

1891
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,199
you look at evidence and you try to be

1892
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,760
empirical about it but now you know what

1893
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,560
you're saying it's true so now there's

1894
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,719
at least you've got

1895
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,239
a uh

1896
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,080
an understanding that

1897
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,239
life is probably super abundant in this

1898
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:18,080
universe which is interesting to keep in

1899
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,679
mind because a couple of generations ago

1900
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,520
the majority of scientists i'm going to

1901
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:25,440
hazard a guest thought we're probably

1902
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:27,040
alone in the universe and by the way

1903
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,400
there are still

1904
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,520
a number of

1905
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,520
astronomers and exobiologists i guess

1906
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,520
who subscribe to the what's it called

1907
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,520
the lonely or whatever it is like that

1908
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,600
we're the only ones here but i think

1909
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:42,000
that they're probably a minority now

1910
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,600
yeah so the fact that

1911
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,360
yeah but

1912
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,880
the rare earth hypothesis i think is

1913
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,000
what it's called yeah the rare earth

1914
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:50,880
right right yeah but um

1915
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,239
yeah they you know look scientists are

1916
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,640
uh they're just people and they have

1917
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:57,840
careers to worry about they get

1918
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:00,400
reputations and

1919
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,800
they're really not a lot different from

1920
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,920
other

1921
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,120
people who've gone through the

1922
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,880
educational system they have a different

1923
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:08,239
kind of training

1924
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:09,360
but uh

1925
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,880
that doesn't mean that they're creative

1926
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,960
or they're brave and they want to buck

1927
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,400
the system so

1928
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,800
but now there's a little bit more

1929
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,280
uh supporting

1930
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,920
uh reasons for them to at least consider

1931
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:23,440
oh well maybe maybe there's something

1932
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,719
going on

1933
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,000
so that's that's

1934
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,600
positive i mean we're still at the

1935
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,520
kindergarten level

1936
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:31,040
most of them who

1937
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,560
even even those who are now talking

1938
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:34,560
about ufos publicly there's a few of

1939
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,280
them

1940
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,880
out there it's just like when you listen

1941
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,199
to them and i'm glad they're doing it

1942
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,640
but um

1943
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:42,640
you you really can see clearly like most

1944
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,800
of them have no idea how steep the

1945
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,480
learning curve of this subject is like

1946
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,640
they just think oh yeah i'll just go in

1947
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,560
and master ufos now no you won't you're

1948
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:52,640
not going to master ufos not for 10

1949
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,920
years you won't

1950
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,920
it's a subject that

1951
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,480
is incredibly profound and has a

1952
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,080
tremendous amount of data

1953
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,840
and don't go in thinking you're just

1954
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:03,040
going to get this

1955
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:04,239
right away because it's going to take

1956
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,360
some time

1957
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,360
yeah yeah yeah yeah i think so many

1958
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,880
people uh

1959
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,679
uh

1960
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,920
jump into the ufo subject because it's

1961
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,840
interesting and they

1962
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,600
okay i'm going to apply some time to

1963
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,280
this and then in a few months i'll have

1964
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,520
it all figured out that was me 30 years

1965
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:22,080
ago that was i had that arrogance yeah i

1966
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,440
did i was

1967
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:25,600
that was my next question actually so we

1968
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,320
know about bambi in the bubbling brook

1969
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,920
right right and and how have you changed

1970
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,320
since you started your research who were

1971
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,920
you before

1972
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:37,600
in this subject and what have you

1973
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,440
learned now in 2022 yeah a lot of

1974
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:43,840
changes it's been 30 years now

1975
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:46,480
since i really first kind of

1976
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,280
was captured by the ufo

1977
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,120
subjects and

1978
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:52,960
i've gone through many personal changes

1979
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,520
many mental changes um

1980
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:57,120
psychological changes like everything

1981
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:58,640
i've gone through i'm i started when i

1982
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,920
was in the early 30s i'm almost 60 now

1983
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,320
so um i'm not the same

1984
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,320
when i started out i

1985
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,280
i was very like ambitious in the

1986
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:12,320
academic sense of the word like i still

1987
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,280
was

1988
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,239
wanting to finish my phd and and teach

1989
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,440
at some university i wanted the status

1990
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,239
of that i wanted uh that kind of a life

1991
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,239
you know that's what i thought

1992
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,480
and and so actually for that reason it

1993
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,320
was very hard for me to leave that and

1994
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:30,560
go into ufos because i knew like there

1995
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,199
was no you'd get no respect

1996
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:34,960
you become the rodney dangerfield of the

1997
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,520
intellectual world by doing ufos you get

1998
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:39,440
no respect and

1999
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:42,800
and i didn't do that lightly but

2000
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:44,640
the the fact was

2001
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:45,360
i

2002
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,560
and

2003
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,400
you know that's kind of interesting it

2004
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,719
is interesting but

2005
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,280
it's got a limited market

2006
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:07,199
you know you can say there's a limited

2007
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:08,480
market for that

2008
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,440
uh but i was into it and i stumbled into

2009
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:13,600
the ufo subject

2010
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:15,199
and i thought wait a minute wait a

2011
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,800
minute wait a minute wait a minute is

2012
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,400
this is this actually

2013
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,239
it was tim good's above top secret

2014
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:22,639
subtitle the worldwide ufo cover up

2015
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,629
i'd heard of the ufo cover-up even in

2016
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,639
the early 90s we'd heard about that i

2017
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,400
didn't know any evidence for it i'd only

2018
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,400
heard people talking about it

2019
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,400
but here i was i was studying the 1940s

2020
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,400
and early 50s and

2021
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,000
i could tell like even then i knew all

2022
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,920
right so all the cover-up people like

2023
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,120
they're all talking about this thing

2024
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,440
called roswell in the 1940s

2025
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,040
i should know about this i've been

2026
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,480
studying this why don't i know about

2027
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,560
anything is this all bs or is there

2028
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,199
something here so that's what grabbed me

2029
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,880
and i'll just say like i quickly

2030
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,480
with i thought well i'm going to study

2031
01:21:01,590 --> 01:21:00,480
this for a few months and then i'm going

2032
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,600
to move on

2033
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:03,360
i didn't like having a big

2034
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,960
question mark hanging over my head that

2035
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,800
was really how i thought about it so i

2036
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,320
thought i'll just i'll study this i'll

2037
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,320
read this book let's see what i thought

2038
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,159
well i read that book and then i read i

2039
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:14,080
read like 50 more books and then i read

2040
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,600
50 more books after that and i just

2041
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,120
couldn't stop

2042
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,480
uh because i realized this this was

2043
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,639
absolutely historically

2044
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,000
gripping to

2045
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:25,920
top generals and admirals and and

2046
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,120
central intelligence figures who

2047
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,360
did not have this figured out and were

2048
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,440
lying about it to the public and

2049
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,520
and then i wanted to know why like why

2050
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,440
was it such a big deal to you people did

2051
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,000
you not figure this out and i tried to

2052
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:42,239
ask myself did they ever resolve the ufo

2053
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,280
mystery

2054
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,880
and the answer is no of course they

2055
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,280
didn't i mean they gave pretend answers

2056
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,120
like with the robertson panel and with

2057
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,040
the condon committee in the 1960s but

2058
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,880
those weren't real

2059
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,960
those weren't those are obviously fake

2060
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,560
falsified answers

2061
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,239
so i thought holy you know there's this

2062
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:00,000
is a cover-up

2063
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,600
uh this is a genuine conspiracy

2064
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,960
and a cover-up

2065
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,120
and from that point in like i didn't i

2066
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,880
just didn't know how to continue my old

2067
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,480
work

2068
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,920
i didn't know how to continue on with

2069
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:13,840
just this academic

2070
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,840
very pedestrian area of study and so um

2071
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,520
the next thing i knew i was out i just

2072
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,960
left and

2073
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:22,639
i was an independent scholar and that's

2074
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,320
what i've been for the rest of my life

2075
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,360
so but where how have i changed

2076
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,199
my whole attitude about conspiracy has

2077
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,120
taken lots of changes over the years

2078
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,120
like when i started

2079
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,760
i was not what i would call a grand

2080
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,760
conspiracy person i was i was a little

2081
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,679
conspiracy guy like i thought yeah

2082
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:41,600
there's there's all kinds of corruption

2083
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,800
everyone knows that there's corruption

2084
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,520
there's

2085
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:45,040
you could call this little thing here a

2086
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,960
conspiracy and that but is there a big

2087
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,440
conspiracy and overarching

2088
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,760
like my attitude was no probably not i

2089
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,880
don't think i believe that anymore i

2090
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,159
haven't believed that in a long time i

2091
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,480
think that there are definitely

2092
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,800
very significant conspiracies that are

2093
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,120
global in scope and that have been going

2094
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,639
for a long time

2095
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,159
so that's one thing another thing that

2096
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,880
i've changed is in my acceptance of i

2097
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,639
guess we could say

2098
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,719
things that we might call paranormal i

2099
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,520
don't know if i would call them

2100
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:13,280
paranormal per se

2101
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,719
i think what we call paranormal is

2102
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,800
simply you know science we don't yet

2103
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,560
understand a lot of it

2104
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,719
but i've definitely gotten

2105
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,600
much more uh open to

2106
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:26,239
not just remote viewing but um i mean

2107
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,760
you know i'm married to a remote viewer

2108
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,600
who's very good at what she does

2109
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,199
but i i was into remote viewing long

2110
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,280
before i met tracy

2111
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,440
but i published

2112
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,120
a book by mike clelland called the

2113
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,280
messengers which is

2114
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,320
you know one of the most

2115
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,320
reality shattering books that i know of

2116
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,080
in our field

2117
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,360
and um dealing with you know fundamental

2118
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,120
questions about causality itself and

2119
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,199
space and time and

2120
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,040
so i don't really know what kind of you

2121
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,480
know your initial question about like

2122
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,159
what is this world universe we're living

2123
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,760
in

2124
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,280
i don't know what our universe is i

2125
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,199
don't think that i've got the cognitive

2126
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,560
capacity

2127
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,639
to understand it fully to be honest with

2128
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,159
you but

2129
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:10,159
what i do know is that

2130
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,430
uh you know i don't

2131
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:20,320
i'm operating on a certain level here

2132
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,600
and that there are beings who are

2133
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:23,280
operating on a level like that's here

2134
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,560
and here and here

2135
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,800
like that i'm pretty sure of it doesn't

2136
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,639
mean that we can't understand anything

2137
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:30,880
about them i think we can

2138
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:34,320
but it's it's a struggle because um

2139
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,600
they can play all kinds of games with

2140
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,679
space and time that we don't really know

2141
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,440
how to do plus they can just screw with

2142
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:41,040
our minds

2143
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,639
so i've gone through i've gone through

2144
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:44,960
changes oh and the other other changes

2145
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,560
so i i used to believe much more

2146
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:51,520
uh i guess

2147
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,480
um

2148
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:55,120
i used to believe more in our ability

2149
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,560
to take control over our political

2150
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,800
destiny

2151
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,560
i used to believe more

2152
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,800
in the ability of a genuine ufo

2153
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,280
disclosure actually affecting positive

2154
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,920
change in our world that's why i wrote

2155
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,280
that book

2156
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:13,280
over a decade ago

2157
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,719
i still don't want to get rid of that

2158
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:16,560
belief i still want to hang on to it but

2159
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:18,639
do i really believe it

2160
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,679
um no probably not i don't really think

2161
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,310
like i used to think that we had a

2162
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:28,400
chance of being able to move into a good

2163
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:32,000
place in our in our civilization and i

2164
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:33,440
i don't think that i believe that

2165
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,400
anymore

2166
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,800
so those are some big changes

2167
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,840
why where i've gone

2168
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,760
why well i'm watching a global fascist

2169
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,199
revolut and i look i don't want to be

2170
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,199
hyper get into hyperbole here but i

2171
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,760
don't know what to call it a global

2172
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:50,080
pervasive surveillance system population

2173
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,520
control on every level non-stop

2174
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,600
propagandizing i mean a redefinition of

2175
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,880
of human identity in the most

2176
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,880
fundamental ways and then on top of that

2177
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:00,560
all the surveillance stuff the universal

2178
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,280
facial recognition voice recognition the

2179
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,520
social credit scoring which is happening

2180
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,440
like five years ago we thought oh this

2181
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,120
could not possibly happen well it's

2182
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,639
obviously happening

2183
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,480
uh and then you know a couple of years

2184
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,760
how long will it be before you get a

2185
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,360
brain computer interface just a little

2186
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,159
knowledge into your brain uh

2187
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,189
i don't know it's gonna be marketed it's

2188
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,280
gonna be sexy it's gonna be like yeah

2189
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,600
you wanna do this uh all the power that

2190
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,199
goes to big pharma right now is

2191
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,520
unbelievable

2192
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,440
um

2193
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,440
massive employment downsizing and all

2194
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,120
the economic stuff that's going to be

2195
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:39,520
happening it's coming it's coming all

2196
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,320
right

2197
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:42,320
before we get to the break i want to

2198
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,440
share this

2199
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,520
i don't know if you went through this

2200
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,320
but uh last year um

2201
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:50,960
what month are we in uh

2202
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,239
now anyway let's let's go back to like i

2203
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,639
don't know uh november or something i'm

2204
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,040
dealing with my accountant

2205
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,840
and i had to pull

2206
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:03,600
certain documents

2207
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,080
from the irs okay so i sign into my irs

2208
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,400
account that i've had for a number of

2209
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,520
years

2210
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,800
and this is what happens richard i

2211
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:16,800
signed and they said okay now to verify

2212
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,560
this is you you have to register with

2213
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,920
our facial recognition software

2214
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,600
here we go what

2215
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,840
what is it you know and now i needed

2216
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,159
these docs right and my accountant like

2217
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,360
needed this stuff right then

2218
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,480
or my world was crashing down right so

2219
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,120
and i'm like okay all right so i click

2220
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,280
accept the terms right

2221
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:43,040
right what choice you have is george

2222
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,639
carlin said they've got you by the balls

2223
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:48,480
completely i mean

2224
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,600
squeezing

2225
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,560
and and so but it takes me into this

2226
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,960
dude it was right out of any science

2227
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:56,800
fiction movie you've ever seen

2228
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:59,760
and it's this 3d thing and i've got to

2229
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,760
take my face and they're scanning it i

2230
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,600
got to go side to side and it's like

2231
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,120
this eerie

2232
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,400
um you remember schwarzenegger um he's

2233
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,880
going to mars and he goes through

2234
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,719
yeah yeah you know the whole body

2235
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,159
scanning thing that's what it looked

2236
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,600
like and it's on the screen

2237
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:18,560
and and so it goes through i had to get

2238
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,040
approved that had to go through some

2239
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,679
other images of me i guess they pull it

2240
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:25,760
from the net i don't know if they're i

2241
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,270
yeah and i get i get the email back

2242
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:33,360
you are who you are

2243
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,239
now and i okay so we get our stuff done

2244
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,080
the next day

2245
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:41,040
i was thinking about the most

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that was the most invasive i felt dirty

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01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,719
i felt violated

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01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:49,040
and and i thought this this can't be

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where we are today

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a couple of months later

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01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:57,040
i don't know who it was you know um aclu

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01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:58,239
whatever

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01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:02,800
um they got the irs to stop

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01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,679
yeah yeah so you you no longer but i did

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01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,000
it for now and my data and so the

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01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,480
question that they raised

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01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,199
was what are they doing with this data

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01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,760
everybody that is scanned right this

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01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:18,320
facial recognition thing i'm in a

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01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:22,320
database now i mean like a real

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01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,520
right i did the whole thing

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01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,120
i'll guarantee you me and everyone

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01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,600
listening is in probably an nsa database

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01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:32,400
they will sure follow i mean all they

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01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,639
have to do is facebook profiles public

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01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,880
profiles everyone's got

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01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,840
facial recognition kate i mean there's

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01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:41,199
got to be

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01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:44,880
right right

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01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,920
on everyone

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01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:48,000
i don't mind my cell phone

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01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,800
uh

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01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:51,040
you know to log into my bank accounts or

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01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:53,600
whatever right okay you know facial okay

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01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:56,320
that but that this is here

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01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,679
right

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01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,360
it's gonna be messy i know we got the

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01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,960
break i i think it's this is all

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01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,520
necessary because i firmly believe the

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01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,520
people who are running our world whether

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01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,440
human or not human

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01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:09,520
they know we're looking at a big big big

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01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,560
big crash economic economic crash

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01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,719
it's going to be coming and when it does

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01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:16,719
there's going to be a lot of unhappy

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01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:17,600
people

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01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,880
and you're going to need ways to control

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01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,239
them that's why i think we're seeing a

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01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,040
whole slew of laws coming into place

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01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:24,960
to keep people

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01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:27,840
under control and uh and means of

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01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,800
identifying them so that there's no way

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01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,159
to hide

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01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:34,480
because when when the the

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01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,400
the stuff hits the pan

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01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,000
you have to have total population

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01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,400
control and so there all the means are

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01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:42,159
just going into place now

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01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:44,800
i i expect uh i used to never do

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01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:48,320
predictions but i'm predicting

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01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,280
some

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01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,600
major dislocations within probably

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01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,719
within a year

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01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,560
yeah before the next election most

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01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:55,679
likely

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01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:57,199
it's so funny you said you don't like to

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01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,440
do predictions it's easier to predict

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01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:02,159
today yeah it really is it is easier

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01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,159
unfortunately it is

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01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,080
let's take a break right here the one

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01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,639
and only richard dolan is with us this

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01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,440
is fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

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01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:13,840
it's the interview

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01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,760
more with richard when we come back

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01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:17,600
after this short break this is fade to

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01:31:27,690 --> 01:31:18,800
black i'm gonna show you church stay

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,180
you're listening to fade to black

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01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:46,800
[Applause]

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:50,480
fade to black

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01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:05,160
[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:10,790
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,280
and this year june 18th 2022

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supply i do disruptions in the food

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they usually occur with little warning

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01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:09,990
you are listening to fate to black with

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01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,800
jimmy church on the game changer network

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01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,280
hi i'm reese vance you're listening to

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01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:20,239
jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution is on radio

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:11,440
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:13,600
host jimmy church tonight richard dolan

2402
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:16,880
is with us the interview it's going down

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01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,119
tonight getting inside

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01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:21,280
the head of richard dolan if it is

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01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,480
possible

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01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:24,960
and uh tomorrow night is fader night

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01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:27,520
with open lines all night long

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01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:30,400
and earlier tonight uh

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01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:32,320
i was thinking about hank williams

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01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:34,000
because of richard nolan

2411
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,080
and it wasn't what you think though

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01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,480
um i heard a lonely train in the

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01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:40,719
background and i'm not around any trains

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01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:43,360
i don't hear trains but i heard a train

2415
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,199
in the background i was thinking of of

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01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,840
hank williams and and the verse in one

2417
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,000
of his songs about the lonely

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01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:52,560
train that you hear in the background

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01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:56,080
and in his life and i was

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01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:58,400
listening to the train in the background

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01:37:01,189 --> 01:37:00,000
and uh i wasn't gonna bring it up and

2422
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:01,199
then i just

2423
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:02,639
richard you were talking and i was

2424
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,800
thinking about hank williams i just i i

2425
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:06,480
just drifted off

2426
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,440
the um and now speaking about that uh

2427
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:11,760
we're gonna change gears just a little

2428
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:15,360
bit um you mentioned earlier

2429
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,239
uh

2430
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:18,000
that your

2431
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:21,040
concept of disclosure has changed since

2432
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:22,320
you wrote the book

2433
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,600
uh which has been 10 years and but i

2434
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,920
look at it a little bit differently i i

2435
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,159
have your book i you know what i'm going

2436
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:31,920
to tell everybody richard made me buy

2437
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,880
that book one day all right i go up to

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01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,840
richard

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01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,199
i go

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01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,520
and uh i said richard

2441
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,480
uh we we were sitting next to each other

2442
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:44,719
um at a conference and you had a stat

2443
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:46,480
you had a box of books

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01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:47,280
and

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01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,350
okay

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01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:58,400
all right

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01:38:08,790 --> 01:37:59,920
working it that day

2448
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,950
you can have a church 20 bucks is um

2449
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,280
but 10 years later

2450
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,760
um i would say i'm looking at it

2451
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,360
differently than you even though you

2452
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:22,159
wrote the book and you have a concept of

2453
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,440
this

2454
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,920
when you wrote that book you i'm sure

2455
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,600
you weren't thinking about the senate

2456
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:29,520
intelligence committee and

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01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,159
and the uap task force and the

2458
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,719
conversations that would be going on

2459
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,840
um on capitol hill uh and all the way

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01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,520
over to the pentagon

2461
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,080
um that this would be this public uh

2462
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:44,800
discourse that is happening today

2463
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,360
i would say that that is a big dose of

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01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,679
a.d after disclosure

2465
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:52,080
now we uh i co-authored that book i

2466
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,280
always have to give credit to bryce

2467
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:55,760
zabel um we worked really very closely

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:57,520
on that book together

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01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,239
um we got a lot of things right

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01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,639
so i'm not saying that the book that we

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01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:05,119
did uh we did a bad job i think honestly

2472
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:07,040
i look back i think we did a great job

2473
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:09,040
in uh foreseeing a lot of the

2474
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:10,400
developments

2475
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,920
that were up ahead there were just

2476
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:13,679
certain things i did not see or i didn't

2477
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:16,159
see happening as quickly but yeah one of

2478
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,280
the the

2479
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:19,119
methods by which we thought disclosure

2480
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,560
could happen

2481
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:22,239
i mean the big one that we thought about

2482
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,639
would be like a mass sighting kind of

2483
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:27,600
like a phoenix lights uh or like a

2484
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:29,119
stephenville you know which had just

2485
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,880
happened recently before that something

2486
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,280
that would be big that couldn't be

2487
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:36,000
denied that would cause an avalanche

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01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:37,199
effect

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01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,000
um and i thought i particularly thought

2490
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:41,760
that because i just figured you know the

2491
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,639
secrecy is so entrenched what would it

2492
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,159
take i thought it was something big

2493
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,239
something that cannot be denied

2494
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,800
that just hits the sweet spot as it were

2495
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,880
but that's not what happened um other

2496
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:54,080
other things that we wondered about

2497
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:56,000
would be like a wikileaks type of event

2498
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,840
like a a leak

2499
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,000
an unauthorized leak but we also

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01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:02,960
wondered about insiders uh just kind of

2501
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,840
like putting information out there

2502
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,360
and that's

2503
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:09,840
closer to what has happened i think what

2504
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,400
you always have with any ruling elite

2505
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,480
you've always got factions

2506
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,400
you know from the time of caesar and

2507
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,560
pompey and before that up till tonight

2508
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:20,400
up to today there's always

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01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,600
the rulers of a society are very seldom

2510
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,679
monolithic in every way and there's

2511
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,520
always disagreements and that's true

2512
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,119
with ufos

2513
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:31,520
and i think that's what

2514
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,679
we started seeing in 2016 2017 people

2515
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,360
uh high up

2516
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,159
had differing opinions about

2517
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:42,800
how to deal with the ufo subject

2518
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:43,920
and i still think we're dealing with

2519
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,480
that major factions uh this whole thing

2520
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:48,320
can easily be walked back you know

2521
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,600
everything that we've gained i think can

2522
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:51,280
still be walked back

2523
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:54,400
but uh yeah like the political blowback

2524
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,280
the thing that i didn't see happening

2525
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,800
is how slowly and how how much it could

2526
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:02,719
be stalled

2527
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:04,960
that's i think but you know in fairness

2528
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,199
we're writing in the years 2009 and 2010

2529
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:10,880
2010 really

2530
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,840
before before the destruction of social

2531
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:15,199
media

2532
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,239
uh before the the complete consolidation

2533
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,920
of power by the

2534
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,920
by the state really and its corporate

2535
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:23,679
allies over

2536
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:25,119
the media

2537
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:27,040
uh i i knew that would happen but i

2538
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,920
didn't think it was going to happen as

2539
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:29,920
fast as it did i have to say like it was

2540
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,280
way faster

2541
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:33,440
than i anticipated

2542
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:36,639
especially starting around 2015

2543
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,239
2015

2544
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,560
really the year even before trump ran

2545
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,840
you started seeing it happening

2546
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:43,119
radically

2547
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:44,000
so

2548
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,840
because of that because we've seen that

2549
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,520
the the capture

2550
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,400
really of social media

2551
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,239
you know the censorship and like google

2552
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:56,320
slash youtube and facebook and and

2553
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,280
twitter

2554
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,239
uh all those years of course

2555
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,920
they were able really to throttle a lot

2556
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,440
of conversation in my opinion they

2557
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:04,800
helped to throttle a lot of our

2558
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,159
discussion on this subject as well as of

2559
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:11,040
course legacy media which was

2560
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,800
very much involved in keeping the

2561
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,960
conversation at a very infantile minimal

2562
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,639
level

2563
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,040
so everything that came out happened as

2564
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:21,119
a result of fighting through that system

2565
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:22,639
not because the system's like oh yeah

2566
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:23,840
we're going to do this

2567
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:26,639
this disclosure

2568
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,239
and so it's been a struggle ever since

2569
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,320
and and this

2570
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,000
the speed

2571
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,480
we really thought like with a major

2572
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,000
breakthrough

2573
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,239
that more people would be like us

2574
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:40,239
who'd be like who would care

2575
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,920
be like wow you've been lying to us all

2576
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,440
this time

2577
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,280
wow what else you've been lying about

2578
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,600
and and how deep does this lie go and

2579
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:49,199
and what instead we're really seeing is

2580
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,000
a total lack of curiosity by most of the

2581
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:54,239
public they just the information's out

2582
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,520
there and they're like yeah sure what's

2583
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,600
next you know

2584
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,400
uh so there there hasn't really been

2585
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,080
that moment and

2586
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,600
it's shocking to me honestly because

2587
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:05,040
there were several moments where it

2588
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,000
really

2589
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,520
i would have thought it could and should

2590
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,199
have happened you know a couple of years

2591
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:10,880
ago just before

2592
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:13,280
uh kovid where i think in 2019 and and

2593
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,080
lou elizondo was on tucker carlson at

2594
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:18,960
may 31st 2019 and

2595
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:21,679
elizondo says on national television

2596
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:22,560
yeah

2597
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:24,159
our government we have acquired these

2598
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,679
objects

2599
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:27,520
it just says it

2600
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,639
like imagine how insane that is and

2601
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:32,239
if that had been said on national

2602
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,520
television a few years earlier i i think

2603
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,920
it could have been just astonishing and

2604
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,040
yet somehow

2605
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:40,400
no follow-up

2606
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:43,199
no one no one followed up

2607
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:44,000
and

2608
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,800
i'm really going to admit like i did not

2609
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,600
i did not see that happening

2610
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,199
and i thought

2611
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,600
once there was like a big big big truth

2612
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,840
about this ufo that would come out

2613
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,520
that would cause a snowball effect like

2614
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,600
an avalanche effect that that could

2615
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,320
threaten to be go out of control and

2616
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:06,560
that's not happened and it hasn't

2617
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,800
happened because the

2618
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,440
the ability of the state let's just say

2619
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:13,520
and its allies to control the narrative

2620
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,560
has

2621
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,560
rapidly exponentially increased even

2622
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,119
since 2010 when we wrote our book

2623
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:21,040
so that's the thing i didn't see i'll

2624
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:22,400
fully admit that

2625
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,400
but we did see a lot of other things and

2626
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:26,560
and fundamentally i think that

2627
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,960
the thesis of the book is still totally

2628
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:31,119
on point which is that like what we

2629
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,280
realize is that if if this secret were

2630
01:44:38,910 --> 01:44:36,480
to come out in its entirety

2631
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,920
the implications are absolutely

2632
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:41,280
revolutionary for our society in so many

2633
01:44:43,229 --> 01:44:42,239
ways

2634
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:43,239
and

2635
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:47,119
how revolutionary it is gives you a

2636
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,080
really good idea on why the secrecy has

2637
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:52,560
been in place for so long and why from

2638
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:53,679
the point of view of those people

2639
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,760
maintaining the secret that it has to

2640
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,119
continue

2641
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,119
as long as possible and i'll tell you

2642
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,880
they're going to continue this for as

2643
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,719
long as possible

2644
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:05,280
do you think um

2645
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,400
that's

2646
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:08,480
not only what we're talking about with

2647
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,000
you know fox and and tucker and and lou

2648
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,719
but we still have the other uh media

2649
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,320
outlets like the new york times and

2650
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,719
others you know the bbc msnbc

2651
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,719
everybody's covered this subject

2652
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:22,719
that the reaction

2653
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,600
hasn't been as profound as i think all

2654
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,600
of us expected it to be i'm talking

2655
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,119
about with the rest of the world this

2656
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:32,080
stuff isn't like out there now

2657
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:36,159
is it because of uh the desensitizing

2658
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,920
and the slow process of exposing

2659
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:42,159
uh et and ufos and science and

2660
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,920
exoplanets it you know everything else

2661
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,600
that comes into play i don't i don't

2662
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:47,600
think so no i don't think that's it

2663
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:50,800
because i think like the subject is

2664
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:53,520
it is very very easy

2665
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,480
to to package the ufo subject in a very

2666
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,400
powerful explosive way that people just

2667
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,400
go like holy crap this is unbelievable

2668
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,719
like that's not difficult to do

2669
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,040
you do it every night i do it like there

2670
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,080
are people in this world they understand

2671
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,119
just how incredible and powerful this

2672
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,480
subject is

2673
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,320
so that's not the problem

2674
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,400
the the problem is that the media that

2675
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,320
you were just referring to

2676
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,480
they're not independent or free they're

2677
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:22,480
they're adjuncts of the state of state

2678
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:23,440
power

2679
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,840
matter they're not they're not out there

2680
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,679
i mean does anyone really believe this

2681
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,719
anymore

2682
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:33,360
that the new york times or cnn or fox it

2683
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,440
doesn't matter what your politics are

2684
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:37,040
like you're talking about

2685
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,840
huge corporate

2686
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,800
international interests that are

2687
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,320
beholden

2688
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:44,320
to

2689
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,679
system of power and control and mind

2690
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,280
control

2691
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,600
this is what i firmly believe so so no

2692
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:52,960
they're not out

2693
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,239
educate the public i mean

2694
01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:00,480
not in the things that really matter

2695
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,600
yeah if you want to find out how the

2696
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,119
mets did last night they're great for

2697
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,920
that but i'm just talking about for real

2698
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:07,920
news for real information for

2699
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:10,239
understanding the world no

2700
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,920
human beings you know you talked about

2701
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:13,119
what makes us different from other

2702
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:14,560
animals one one thing that makes us

2703
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,080
really unique is that we invented the

2704
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:19,199
story we invented the narrative like we

2705
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:21,040
forget how incredible that is like to

2706
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,760
have a story like this is where this

2707
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:25,520
thing starts and then this goes here and

2708
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,800
then that's a story we invented that and

2709
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:30,960
now we can call it a narrative and we're

2710
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:33,840
the only species that

2711
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:36,560
makes it absolutely in critical

2712
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:39,360
importance to control narratives that

2713
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:40,480
other people

2714
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,440
are hearing no other species does that i

2715
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,600
wonder if aliens do that

2716
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,360
i mean we're much higher cognitively

2717
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,040
than other species aliens are higher

2718
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,800
cognitively than us do they have to

2719
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:52,400
exercise greater narrative control than

2720
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:54,880
we do i wonder but but we know that we

2721
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:55,600
do

2722
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,560
we are

2723
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,239
all about that why because it's all

2724
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,480
about power and maintaining power you've

2725
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:02,480
got to call what other people think

2726
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:03,280
and

2727
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,800
history

2728
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,400
where it's been more essential than

2729
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,719
right now to maintain total control and

2730
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:12,320
that's because we just had 30 years of

2731
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:13,600
the internet

2732
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:16,480
we just had 30 years of a new invention

2733
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,520
exploding narrative control

2734
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,320
that had always existed in human history

2735
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:24,159
i mean this is yeah you know there was

2736
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,760
the invention of the printing press that

2737
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,119
was kind of big and

2738
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,600
you know it's always you know

2739
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,119
information can get out of control but

2740
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,800
with the internet oh my god orders of

2741
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,719
magnitude beyond that so starting in the

2742
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,480
late 80s and then the 90s we were like

2743
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,159
my god the amount of freedom and

2744
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,320
information it's unprecedented that's

2745
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,440
true and the loss of narrative control

2746
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,600
by centralized powers that was also a

2747
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,760
major threat and so now what we're

2748
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,040
seeing

2749
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:51,119
is a uh

2750
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,320
you know return they have to get back

2751
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,400
narrative control it's absolutely

2752
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,760
essential

2753
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,400
and in some ways it's it's like you want

2754
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,639
a unified cultural narrative about a lot

2755
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,719
of things like that's healthy that's a

2756
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:06,800
society that um

2757
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:08,000
if you have if you actually have a

2758
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,360
culture which we don't really have

2759
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,760
anymore but if you had an organic

2760
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:13,520
culture that actually existed it would

2761
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:16,000
be normal to have standard narratives

2762
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:17,440
and standard stories that people would

2763
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:18,239
share

2764
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:20,159
that's a sign of a healthy culture well

2765
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:21,520
we've destroyed our culture we don't

2766
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,719
have that we have just got a bunch of

2767
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:24,960
people running around atomized

2768
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,840
you know

2769
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,400
shopping by themselves living alone we

2770
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,159
don't have culture we've destroyed that

2771
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,000
but what what is still essential is

2772
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,320
narrative control

2773
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:36,400
and and so

2774
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,760
where the heck was i going with this i

2775
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:39,760
had a point with oh okay

2776
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,149
you know they say first the mind then

2777
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:48,560
the body don't don't forget those words

2778
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,599
right

2779
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:52,000
but but let me help you with this how is

2780
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:53,520
it possible

2781
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:55,840
that society

2782
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,800
missed

2783
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,639
two of the most profound statements that

2784
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,960
were ever made in the history of this

2785
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:01,920
world

2786
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,119
one elizondo goes on tv and says we've

2787
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:07,679
got we've got the stuff number two eric

2788
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,239
davis in the new york times says i told

2789
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:12,000
the senate intelligence committee we've

2790
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,360
got flying saucers in our possession

2791
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:17,679
absolutely and very important crickets

2792
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,679
crickets and it's not just that no other

2793
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:24,639
journalists worth their salt grabbed

2794
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:27,119
onto those points and it didn't go after

2795
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,960
eric davis and didn't go after lou

2796
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,239
elizondo

2797
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,360
to to expand on this number one number

2798
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:36,000
two public in general

2799
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,440
let it go

2800
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,080
so how is that possible that's not the

2801
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,000
result of the media

2802
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,639
it's that we have blinders on and let

2803
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,800
this go absolutely absolutely

2804
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:48,400
most people don't yeah

2805
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,520
i mean

2806
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,199
look this is not even a knock on most

2807
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,960
people but

2808
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,960
the vast majority of people don't have

2809
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:57,119
much education honestly they may have a

2810
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:58,719
college degree but that's not the same

2811
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:02,159
as an education sorry it just isn't uh

2812
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:03,920
and and besides that like they've got

2813
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,400
lives to live they got things to do they

2814
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,560
you can't expect ordinary people just to

2815
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:10,719
be fighting the system all 24 7. they've

2816
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,040
got lives to live

2817
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,440
so there's that and and on top of that

2818
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,760
there's unbelievable powerful cultural

2819
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:19,520
pressure to conform

2820
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,480
to standard beliefs it's greater now

2821
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:25,040
that it's been for a long time i think

2822
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:31,669
both established and independent media

2823
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,280
especially established media you know we

2824
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:35,360
like to think oh yeah we're beyond that

2825
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,880
no we're not beyond that

2826
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:39,199
uh they're still incredibly powerful and

2827
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,639
important and

2828
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,239
the established media just has not

2829
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,000
touched that story

2830
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,920
they don't touch it and there's god

2831
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:47,760
there's a reason for that

2832
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:49,599
you you can't tell me that there's no

2833
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,719
journalist willing to explore this

2834
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:54,320
uh to their hearts to content and yet

2835
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,599
they don't

2836
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,599
we both know leslie kane and ralph

2837
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:59,040
blumenthal i have a lot of respect for

2838
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,480
both of them

2839
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,400
but like you know and you listen to them

2840
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,480
talk they've given interviews it's very

2841
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:06,480
obvious you write for the new york times

2842
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:09,520
like there's only so far you can go and

2843
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,119
we all know that

2844
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,840
you do a piece for

2845
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,360
any of the major networks whether it's

2846
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:17,440
cnn or any others and there's only so

2847
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:19,040
far you i mean

2848
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:20,719
some of these organizations like we know

2849
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:22,480
for a fact they've literally falsified

2850
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:23,840
their news anyway

2851
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,520
it's all about propaganda and control

2852
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,080
they're not really news

2853
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,599
so to to work within those media

2854
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,840
you you can't you really can't do true

2855
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:36,000
investigation you can only do what's

2856
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:37,440
sanctioned

2857
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:38,719
that's really all that you can do is

2858
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,960
what's sanctioned and if you get really

2859
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:42,320
lucky once in a while you can make a

2860
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:44,000
breakthrough i think leslie and ralph

2861
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,280
were able to make a breakthrough in the

2862
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,599
new york times back in 2017 i think they

2863
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,520
were able to do it because

2864
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:52,239
uh frankly you know at that time

2865
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:54,400
that the ttsa stuff was coming out and

2866
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:55,599
there was some very important

2867
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:57,599
information some new videos that were

2868
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,239
coming out new new data and it was going

2869
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:03,040
to break and i i suspect

2870
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:04,800
that uh they made a very good pitch to

2871
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:06,560
the new york times and said look why

2872
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:08,560
don't you just get ahead of this

2873
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:10,000
so i think that's where they were able

2874
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,280
to do it but

2875
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,960
we haven't seen the major media really

2876
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,159
do any

2877
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:15,679
significant follow-up on any of this

2878
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,880
stuff

2879
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,800
new york times did a ufo piece without

2880
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:20,320
leslie and ralph involved and it was

2881
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,360
total worthless you know junk so it's

2882
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,199
only it's only a few people that are

2883
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:27,280
really making the difference in this

2884
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,080
i think that the major

2885
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:32,719
narrative control is still as powerful

2886
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,840
as ever

2887
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:35,760
and it can easily be rolled back like

2888
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:36,800
all of the

2889
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,440
the gains that we've made in terms of

2890
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,840
our ability to talk about ufo or uap

2891
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:43,119
culturally

2892
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:44,080
um

2893
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,760
probably some of it won't go away but

2894
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,520
some of it can can definitely be rolled

2895
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:48,880
back

2896
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:51,040
now one thing uh you know i was saying a

2897
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,719
little earlier i don't think that the

2898
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,560
secret will ever be voluntarily given up

2899
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:56,400
and i believe that but that doesn't mean

2900
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:57,360
that

2901
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:58,800
there won't be

2902
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:02,080
levels of false disclosure that are

2903
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,840
possible

2904
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,360
and i and

2905
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,280
what do you mean faults that's that's

2906
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:09,760
interesting

2907
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,360
so think of

2908
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:14,400
pardon me think of uh all of the ufo

2909
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,360
data

2910
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,520
that is being held in the secret world

2911
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,440
right as like a mountain

2912
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:21,599
like mount everest

2913
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:24,000
so a lot so what what could be released

2914
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:25,360
well you could just take like a little

2915
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:27,040
sliver out of mount everest a little

2916
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:28,639
tiny sliver

2917
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:31,119
and that could still be a lot actually

2918
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:32,960
and and but you're picking what that

2919
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:34,840
sliver is

2920
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,440
and and then you give that to the public

2921
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,840
and you're like yeah actually this is

2922
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,440
we've got some information here for you

2923
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,960
this is real

2924
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,320
so

2925
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:46,080
what was that i think alan dulles former

2926
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:47,760
cia director said the best way to keep a

2927
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:50,639
secret is to pretend to share it and and

2928
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,599
it could

2929
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:53,440
you know there's a lot of levels of

2930
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,159
truth to the ufo subject

2931
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:57,840
that

2932
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,119
disclosure can provide you know we're at

2933
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,560
we're at the level of like well we've um

2934
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:06,480
you know we've

2935
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:08,239
we encounter some objects we don't know

2936
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,679
what they are we don't know that they're

2937
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:11,119
alien but maybe

2938
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:12,719
that that's where we're at right now

2939
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:15,040
officially i mean that's like the lowest

2940
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,480
level but that's still better than where

2941
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:18,080
we were a few years ago which was

2942
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:19,679
there's nothing out there so now we're

2943
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:21,760
at this level but there's many many

2944
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:24,800
levels between i mean how far can it go

2945
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,520
how far can it go can you say well yeah

2946
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,119
they are walking among us and by the way

2947
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,440
they can screw with your mind anytime

2948
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:33,360
they want and oh yeah they're totally

2949
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:35,280
embedded in our society and they're

2950
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:36,639
controlling everything like do we go

2951
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:39,440
that far is that even true maybe it is

2952
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,080
or can they go at least as far as saying

2953
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:44,560
uh actually yeah we've been hiding a lot

2954
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,480
of their um

2955
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:48,560
a lot of their technology and it is

2956
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:50,320
revolutionary do we go so far as to say

2957
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:52,000
that abductions are real and these

2958
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,520
beings some beings are coming into

2959
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,280
people's homes and taking them and

2960
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:57,199
creating a hybrid spike how far do you

2961
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:00,960
go with this there's so much so i think

2962
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,599
when when i'm saying false disclosure i

2963
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,920
guess i would say

2964
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:08,000
we could be easily primed for a

2965
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,520
deceptive

2966
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:11,920
disclosure absolutely you know you could

2967
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,390
because because here's the thing the

2968
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,560
problem with the disclosure is

2969
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:20,400
when you admit that there's something

2970
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:23,520
going on and if it's a problem

2971
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:26,400
then that means you have to do something

2972
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,760
about it

2973
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,360
you can't just

2974
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,119
tell the world if you're like the

2975
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:33,440
president or some other important person

2976
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,280
that you know there's uh there are these

2977
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:37,360
beings here and the fact is some of them

2978
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:38,400
scared the

2979
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,960
freaking hell out of us and we don't

2980
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:42,960
know how to control them and yeah they

2981
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,960
do have underground bases

2982
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:46,639
and yes they do whatever the hell they

2983
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,080
want uh and we've got no power over like

2984
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,159
if that's the truth

2985
01:56:56,070 --> 01:56:54,320
how can a president say that

2986
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:56,080
or any political leader like they'll

2987
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,440
never say that

2988
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:59,360
so what they'll do is they'll spin spin

2989
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,599
spin and spin

2990
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,840
in a way that will make the problem go

2991
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,960
away so they don't have to do anything

2992
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:06,239
about it

2993
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,440
they don't care

2994
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:09,520
if politicians are not to solve anything

2995
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:11,679
they're just out to ride the system as

2996
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:14,400
long as they can ride it so i think

2997
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,679
like i used to not think that the ufo

2998
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:19,679
subject would be used

2999
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:20,639
ever

3000
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:23,840
as a political football as it were you

3001
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,719
know to get votes or to win an election

3002
01:57:29,589 --> 01:57:27,840
um

3003
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:29,599
i'm not so sure anymore i think it's

3004
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:32,560
very possible that you could see

3005
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:35,119
political leadership

3006
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:38,719
using this subject in in his careful way

3007
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,560
they still have to be careful they got

3008
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,239
to be real careful

3009
01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:44,639
but i could see it potentially happening

3010
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:48,159
now as in a deceptive way

3011
01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:50,800
um even for something as crassus to get

3012
01:57:54,149 --> 01:57:52,480
votes like

3013
01:57:55,589 --> 01:57:54,159
because actually right now getting votes

3014
01:57:58,149 --> 01:57:55,599
is really particularly important because

3015
01:58:03,189 --> 01:57:58,159
there's a revolution underway

3016
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:05,270
yeah i i don't do politics on the show

3017
01:58:08,950 --> 01:58:06,719
but the one thing

3018
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:08,960
i know but i do the conspiracy of

3019
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:11,119
politics and i'll i'll say this

3020
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:14,719
both sides in fact all sides center

3021
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:16,719
left right whatever you want

3022
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:17,679
they

3023
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:20,480
anymore

3024
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:23,840
they don't i mean it's completely out of

3025
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:26,960
control and i would have never thought

3026
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:27,760
that

3027
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:32,880
don't even understand each other right

3028
01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:34,400
they they just don't get it there is no

3029
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:37,360
plan and here's the crazy part about the

3030
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:38,960
ufo

3031
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:42,159
uh vote the et vote

3032
01:58:47,270 --> 01:58:45,040
does that happen from somebody that is

3033
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:47,280
established right somebody that's a

3034
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:48,800
career politician has been on capitol

3035
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:51,280
hill for 30 years right bought and paid

3036
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:53,360
for right okay

3037
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,440
does that come f does those statements

3038
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:57,119
come from them

3039
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,560
in in an election year or does it come

3040
01:59:05,109 --> 01:59:02,560
from somebody young

3041
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:05,119
that is running for the first time

3042
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:06,639
you know

3043
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:08,239
yes great question

3044
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:09,520
i used to talk about this with steve

3045
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,639
bassett all the time and bassett always

3046
01:59:17,030 --> 01:59:14,800
he always had like this

3047
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:17,040
argument that was kind of pretty good at

3048
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:19,119
least at a certain level

3049
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,199
he would say look any political figure

3050
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,280
you get all that political capital if

3051
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:25,679
you're the disclosure president you go

3052
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:27,360
down in history

3053
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:29,199
and steve has always said that i think

3054
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:31,040
he still says that and

3055
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,040
like yeah that's um

3056
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:34,719
you can see that right

3057
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:36,320
yeah yeah or something

3058
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:38,480
like you get that legacy the problem

3059
01:59:42,149 --> 01:59:40,560
with that has always been

3060
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,159
uh a

3061
01:59:46,629 --> 01:59:45,199
president's uh if they go too far astray

3062
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:46,639
they can live easily in fear of their

3063
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:48,800
lives just as john f kennedy

3064
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:50,719
uh the presidents are very har very

3065
01:59:54,149 --> 01:59:52,800
strictly controlled

3066
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:54,159
and when they're not controlled bad

3067
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:55,840
things happen they're all very

3068
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:56,880
controlled you think our current

3069
02:00:00,310 --> 01:59:58,560
president's not controlled not talking

3070
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,320
democrat republican here it's just it's

3071
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:02,239
obvious presidents are

3072
02:00:08,550 --> 02:00:06,560
extremely controlled people by and large

3073
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,560
so uh and when they're not then it just

3074
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,360
gets crazy it gets crazy

3075
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:13,920
and then they become controlled

3076
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:15,360
you know i think that was the last guy

3077
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,280
we had i think that's what happened he

3078
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:19,280
ended up being very controlled

3079
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:21,280
but but uh

3080
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:23,920
my point is simply that

3081
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:27,360
it can be done if it's

3082
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:29,280
it's done by someone in sufficient

3083
02:00:33,510 --> 02:00:32,159
authority perceived authority

3084
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:33,520
right

3085
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:35,520
um who can

3086
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,320
gain the confidence of

3087
02:00:42,149 --> 02:00:40,560
the nation and the world with a

3088
02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:42,159
statement

3089
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:44,000
like i mean honestly i would say if

3090
02:00:47,589 --> 02:00:45,679
obama

3091
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:47,599
i'm not i was not really ever much of a

3092
02:00:51,910 --> 02:00:48,960
fan of him

3093
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:54,149
you know i was glad when when uh when

3094
02:00:57,109 --> 02:00:55,920
george w bush left the white house i

3095
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:57,119
will say that

3096
02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:58,719
uh and for like about a minute i thought

3097
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:01,520
okay maybe this will be better

3098
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:02,400
um

3099
02:01:06,470 --> 02:01:04,080
obama had the ability he could have done

3100
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:06,480
it like he would have had

3101
02:01:09,750 --> 02:01:08,480
the moral authority and he was good on

3102
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:09,760
camera

3103
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:11,760
he couldn't he could possibly have done

3104
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:13,440
it but of course he would never have

3105
02:01:17,990 --> 02:01:15,040
done it because the guy was a complete

3106
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:18,000
tool of wall street like and of the

3107
02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:18,880
but

3108
02:01:31,510 --> 02:01:21,360
you know what i i i i i think we have

3109
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:33,510
not the entire i wouldn't say that

3110
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:37,040
okay what the first two

3111
02:01:41,030 --> 02:01:39,119
it's it and the point is

3112
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,040
the point is

3113
02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:43,199
there's control and then there's control

3114
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:44,320
okay

3115
02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:45,920
levels of control

3116
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:47,520
i've got to take a break right here but

3117
02:01:52,149 --> 02:01:48,880
my point is

3118
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:52,159
we say these words that we are speaking

3119
02:01:57,189 --> 02:01:54,880
right now as a nation every four years

3120
02:02:00,470 --> 02:01:57,199
every four years it just gets repeated

3121
02:02:03,189 --> 02:02:00,480
but this this is the year this is this

3122
02:02:04,629 --> 02:02:03,199
is this is the time for change and we go

3123
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:04,639
through four more years it doesn't

3124
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:06,560
matter man it doesn't matter this is

3125
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:09,040
faded and i'm talking to somebody that's

3126
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:10,000
uh

3127
02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:11,360
that's a

3128
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:15,760
like i know what i'm talking about we'll

3129
02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:17,280
be right back more with richard after

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02:02:26,330 --> 02:02:19,280
this

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02:06:09,189 --> 02:06:07,360
welcome back fade to black i am your

3209
02:06:10,709 --> 02:06:09,199
host jimmy church tonight it's richard

3210
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:10,719
dolan

3211
02:06:21,189 --> 02:06:19,840
with us tonight and uh

3212
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:21,199
uh we

3213
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:24,719
uh richard and i uh over the years uh

3214
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:27,280
i i have you know i one day i'm gonna go

3215
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,960
back and count how many

3216
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:31,199
shows and interviews and things and

3217
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:33,280
conferences that we've done together and

3218
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:36,880
then throw in the the crazy uh private

3219
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:39,199
conversations that have gone on

3220
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:40,880
we have

3221
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:46,000
nine years i think yeah yeah and tonight

3222
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,320
best conversation yet and you know what

3223
02:06:54,069 --> 02:06:50,560
though we say that after every

3224
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:54,079
question i gotta say this i i love i i

3225
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:55,920
actually love hanging out and doing

3226
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,320
these things with you and uh you know

3227
02:07:02,310 --> 02:06:59,920
there's other people who do good work

3228
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:02,320
out there but i the conversations that i

3229
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:03,760
have with you

3230
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:06,480
i do always feel like you've got a way

3231
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:08,639
you push me

3232
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:10,800
um in directions that you know i

3233
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,719
wouldn't normally go so

3234
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,880
i enjoy it and i like i like being

3235
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:15,920
pushed

3236
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:18,960
yeah it's it's trust it's trust it's

3237
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:21,040
it's trust and and that trust goes both

3238
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,960
ways it's a two-way street

3239
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,679
um and now

3240
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:27,840
this is the interview so now i'm going

3241
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:29,119
to get inside

3242
02:07:33,589 --> 02:07:30,880
yeah yeah i'm going to go i'm going to

3243
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:33,599
go deeper okay and

3244
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:36,560
i guarantee i had you know people should

3245
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,320
know like

3246
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,079
this is a completely spontaneous thing

3247
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:43,199
on your part i had no idea

3248
02:07:45,430 --> 02:07:44,560
that you wanted to do anything like this

3249
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:45,440
you just

3250
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:47,040
hit me up with a message like hey how

3251
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:48,320
about an interview and i'm like alright

3252
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:49,199
good

3253
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:50,079
didn't know what we were going to

3254
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,239
discuss next thing i look i look at your

3255
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:54,320
website it's like richard dolan the

3256
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:56,079
interview i'm like oh this is the

3257
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:57,599
interview okay

3258
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:58,639
okay

3259
02:08:02,390 --> 02:07:59,599
so

3260
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,400
this will be the question you have never

3261
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:04,960
been asked right now it's going down the

3262
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,239
first time

3263
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:08,639
um is is this

3264
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:11,360
i used to always frame you over the

3265
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:12,639
years

3266
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:16,000
um and i i used to say this to richard

3267
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:17,199
privately

3268
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:19,679
that i've always looked at him

3269
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:24,000
as the pragmatic black and white guy

3270
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:26,719
right that that represents the ufo

3271
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:30,159
community okay so let's let's start with

3272
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:32,000
how i used to look at you

3273
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:34,480
that guy

3274
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:37,199
is he afraid of ghosts

3275
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:39,679
does richard dolan

3276
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:42,960
go into a haunted house does that matter

3277
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,360
to you

3278
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,159
well i i actually have gone into haunted

3279
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:51,199
houses like i i've done television shows

3280
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:53,599
some of them never made it anywhere

3281
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:57,119
uh but i did a few where i would go into

3282
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,360
these very like creepy places it's

3283
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:01,119
probably for the best those shows never

3284
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:02,639
happened

3285
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,679
um but i have spent time

3286
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:07,679
with individuals i've interviewed

3287
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:08,960
individuals

3288
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,440
i guess off the record who've had

3289
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:13,920
some very very terrifying types of

3290
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:17,440
experiences that you can call paranormal

3291
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:19,599
years ago i i interviewed bigfoot

3292
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:21,679
witnesses and i've interviewed people

3293
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:23,840
who've done things like voodoo and all

3294
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:25,360
other kinds of things

3295
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:26,639
so i've

3296
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:28,239
you know i've been

3297
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:30,840
exposed to all of that

3298
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:33,280
and you know the thing is it there's

3299
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:35,679
nothing there's nothing unscientific

3300
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:38,079
about considering these types of things

3301
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:39,920
i think it was val jacques valet said

3302
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:41,119
look there's nothing inherently

3303
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:43,280
unscientific about ufos it's how you

3304
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,719
approach any of these things that's

3305
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:46,560
scientific or not

3306
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:47,520
and

3307
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,040
you know when you talk about things that

3308
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:51,280
are paranormal

3309
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:53,199
like ghosts let's say that we thought

3310
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:57,910
i i have often felt well first of all

3311
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,800
every probably every family in the world

3312
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,960
has a ghost story

3313
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:04,320
probably

3314
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:06,079
most do

3315
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:07,840
mine does the family that i grew up with

3316
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,239
we have we have ghost stories

3317
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:12,000
and most of the friends that i grew up

3318
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:13,760
with had some kind of

3319
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:15,920
ghost story that they could relate so

3320
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:17,679
it's kind of hard for me to i wouldn't

3321
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:20,719
just why would you dismiss something

3322
02:10:25,270 --> 02:10:23,360
that's so widespread

3323
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:25,280
just because your current version of

3324
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,960
science doesn't have an easy way to

3325
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:28,719
explain it

3326
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:30,800
like to me that's that's almost like why

3327
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,199
scientists dismiss ufos like

3328
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:35,520
let's try to be empirical

3329
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:37,360
you you can't always develop a proper

3330
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:39,199
hypothesis but if you've got all of

3331
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:40,239
these

3332
02:10:43,589 --> 02:10:42,079
cases and all of this evidence and do

3333
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:43,599
you just what you just throw it away

3334
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:44,320
because you don't have a good

3335
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:45,920
explanation for it

3336
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:47,599
like i just don't

3337
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,079
i don't think i work like that so it's

3338
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,480
something like ghosts i don't know that

3339
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:54,000
i've ever encountered a ghost i don't

3340
02:10:57,990 --> 02:10:55,040
think that i

3341
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:58,000
knowingly have done so

3342
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:58,960
see that's

3343
02:11:02,590 --> 02:11:00,400
however

3344
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:02,600
okay well i'm going to say this

3345
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:04,719
[Laughter]

3346
02:11:09,669 --> 02:11:07,440
both of both of my parents are now gone

3347
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:09,679
from from this side of the veil let's

3348
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:11,040
say

3349
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:12,800
and i've told both of these especially

3350
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:14,800
the one with my father my dad uh passed

3351
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:18,320
away just in uh december of 2018

3352
02:11:23,589 --> 02:11:21,520
and the the night he passed away i was

3353
02:11:25,109 --> 02:11:23,599
at home with tracy we were both on the

3354
02:11:26,229 --> 02:11:25,119
couch working we were each on our

3355
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:26,239
laptops

3356
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:29,199
and i had just installed some

3357
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:30,560
well this is the

3358
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,320
the lights yeah so i'll just be real

3359
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:34,400
quick but the these new brand new lights

3360
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:36,159
that have been installed

3361
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:37,119
um

3362
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:39,119
started going bright and dim and bright

3363
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,400
and dim and bright and dim and i was

3364
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:42,480
like what the hell is this and i get up

3365
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,760
there and i'm looking at it tracy

3366
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:45,119
noticed it first and i'm looking at it

3367
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:47,360
and like this is bizarre

3368
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:49,280
and i jammed them on and off a few times

3369
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:51,360
and i stopped it 15 minutes later my

3370
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:53,040
sister called me to say that our father

3371
02:11:57,750 --> 02:11:55,920
had died 15 minutes earlier

3372
02:11:58,950 --> 02:11:57,760
and i mean those lights were perfectly

3373
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:58,960
and there was nothing wrong with those

3374
02:12:01,750 --> 02:12:00,000
lights

3375
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:01,760
so i don't you could just say well

3376
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:03,360
that's a weird coincidence but i don't

3377
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:04,880
think that's a coincidence i'm just not

3378
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:07,280
going to believe that when my mother

3379
02:12:11,589 --> 02:12:09,280
died um

3380
02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:11,599
about two years after that

3381
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:12,880
i didn't have anything happen but my

3382
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:14,719
sister who is one of my sisters is a

3383
02:12:18,709 --> 02:12:15,760
nurse

3384
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:18,719
and she was on a shift and in her uh the

3385
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:20,400
room where she was

3386
02:12:24,870 --> 02:12:22,000
there was a clock on the wall and the

3387
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:24,880
clock literally fell crashed to the

3388
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:26,960
floor and it was the

3389
02:12:30,470 --> 02:12:27,840
minute

3390
02:12:32,709 --> 02:12:30,480
that my mother died

3391
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:32,719
uh in a hospital on the other side of

3392
02:12:36,629 --> 02:12:34,639
town by the way

3393
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:36,639
my sister also said that she felt uh

3394
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:38,400
tremendous heart pain

3395
02:12:43,430 --> 02:12:39,760
in her own body

3396
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:43,440
for unexplained reasons so look i mean

3397
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:44,960
i don't know if that's ghosts or what

3398
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:46,480
but

3399
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:48,320
these are stories that are in my family

3400
02:12:53,270 --> 02:12:50,639
i'll guarantee you most people listening

3401
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:53,280
have similar stories

3402
02:12:57,510 --> 02:12:55,679
so you can just say well that's just

3403
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:57,520
hocus pocus and there's got to be some

3404
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,360
logical explanation

3405
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:01,199
or you can just say you know what

3406
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:03,280
consciousness or all right

3407
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:05,280
you go i'm done

3408
02:13:10,149 --> 02:13:07,599
but this is the example

3409
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,159
of the black and white pragmatic

3410
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:12,560
richard dolan mindset

3411
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:15,599
you didn't answer the question

3412
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:18,079
i i'm not concerned with jacques valet

3413
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:19,679
or people that you've interviewed or

3414
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:22,719
your family or tracy i'm not concerned

3415
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:25,199
with any of that the question was does

3416
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:27,840
richard dolan believe in ghost

3417
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:31,840
is he scared of a haunted house

3418
02:13:35,830 --> 02:13:33,679
i'm not afraid of a haunted house

3419
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:35,840
maybe i should be

3420
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:40,639
exorcist long time ago

3421
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:42,719
but do you believe in ghosts

3422
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:49,990
i i believe in a survival

3423
02:13:56,149 --> 02:13:53,679
of consciousness after death or survival

3424
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,159
of something about us

3425
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:58,719
after the death of these bodies i don't

3426
02:14:02,870 --> 02:14:00,960
i can't say that i know that

3427
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:02,880
this is where look there's a difference

3428
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:04,480
between knowledge

3429
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:06,719
and belief and knowledge and faith these

3430
02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:08,719
are all different things

3431
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:10,719
so i can't say that i have knowledge no

3432
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:12,560
i don't

3433
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:13,920
i have a

3434
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:15,520
and you know what is what's faith

3435
02:14:19,109 --> 02:14:17,679
faith's like a little bit of belief and

3436
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:19,119
a little bit of hope it's like it's like

3437
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:20,639
trust

3438
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:21,840
maybe

3439
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:24,480
um and i could go that far

3440
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:26,639
i could say that i have i have a genuine

3441
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:27,840
faith that there's something that

3442
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:29,760
happens that our conscience some

3443
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,360
consciousness our soul whatever you want

3444
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:33,199
to call it survives the death of these

3445
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:36,000
bodies and that is it possible that

3446
02:14:39,189 --> 02:14:37,280
human beings can have some kind of

3447
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:39,199
interaction with those and we call them

3448
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:41,119
ghosts i'll say yes

3449
02:14:44,149 --> 02:14:43,040
sure it's possible

3450
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:44,159
sure

3451
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:46,320
so you take beyond

3452
02:14:51,430 --> 02:14:49,360
right that the soul and consciousness is

3453
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:51,440
not a chemical reaction

3454
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:53,199
right this is right i think i think

3455
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:55,040
that's right i think it's more than that

3456
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:56,239
i do believe

3457
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:58,079
well you know we've got we've got words

3458
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,719
for we call non-locality now uh there

3459
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,560
are neuroscientists i think they're a

3460
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:04,800
minority but they're out there who have

3461
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:06,480
arguments they call them the brain wars

3462
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:07,760
you know what is consciousness is it

3463
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:10,239
just chemicals and electrical uh

3464
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,079
impulses in our brain or is it something

3465
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:14,880
more i do think it's something more

3466
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:17,199
i i can't say that i know it i'm not

3467
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:19,440
really qualified to argue with a

3468
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:21,840
neurologist about it but that doesn't

3469
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:23,199
matter

3470
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:25,199
this is what i think so i think that

3471
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:26,400
we've

3472
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:29,599
yeah there's a non-physical

3473
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:32,639
element the key element of us i'll just

3474
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:34,079
for lack of a better word let's call it

3475
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:35,840
the soul people have used that word for

3476
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,360
thousands and thousands of years i'll

3477
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:39,760
use it too we have a soul you have a

3478
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,719
soul

3479
02:15:46,069 --> 02:15:42,960
and what happens to that after the death

3480
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,079
of these bodies i can't say that i know

3481
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,719
but yes i think um

3482
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,400
i think what happens to it is important

3483
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:52,800
and and i will also have a belief that

3484
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:54,800
what happens to it is somewhat

3485
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,760
contingent on how we treat it in this

3486
02:16:02,310 --> 02:15:59,920
in this existence of ours right here

3487
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,320
so if you treat it like crap then maybe

3488
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,239
that there'll be results to that in the

3489
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,560
next dimension

3490
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,159
and if

3491
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:10,320
if all of that

3492
02:16:14,069 --> 02:16:12,960
is true i'm going to use the word true

3493
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,079
right we have a soul we have

3494
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:16,960
consciousness yeah that must be indeed

3495
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,040
universal and that any etc out there

3496
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:23,440
extraterrestrial civilization

3497
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:25,599
must also possess the the very same

3498
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:27,520
thing because

3499
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:30,320
atoms are atoms particles for particles

3500
02:16:35,990 --> 02:16:33,280
right life is life dna is dna amino

3501
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,000
acids are amino acids right that this

3502
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,080
must exist everywhere

3503
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:40,080
and therefore

3504
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:43,040
is that how some of this communication

3505
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:51,110
i think they have they've got an ability

3506
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:52,479
to

3507
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:53,920
uh

3508
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:56,719
manipulate what we might call let's say

3509
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:58,160
let's say they might have what we call

3510
02:17:02,070 --> 02:17:00,800
spiritual technology that might be a

3511
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:02,080
word to use

3512
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:04,080
oh that's tasty actually is that right

3513
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:04,800
that's

3514
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:07,280
mcdonald's i can't claim credit for that

3515
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:09,040
someone threw that one out at me and

3516
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:11,280
it's kind of good so but i think it's a

3517
02:17:14,389 --> 02:17:12,080
good

3518
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:14,399
way to look at it like

3519
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:17,359
we don't we have we have the most

3520
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:19,280
bare-bones scientific we don't even know

3521
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:20,319
if we have an acknowledgement

3522
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,120
scientifically of of a realm like spirit

3523
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:25,679
realm but let's just say a lot of people

3524
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:27,040
believe and some people feel that they

3525
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,920
know that there's a spiritual realm

3526
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:31,679
so let's just assume that that's true

3527
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:33,760
let's just go in at work with that and

3528
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:35,280
then that

3529
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:37,280
a non-terrestrial species that might be

3530
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:38,960
a little bit ahead of us in the

3531
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,120
evolutionary game and with a with a

3532
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,760
higher brain capacity and a more

3533
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:45,760
sophisticated way to deal with this

3534
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,439
let's just say

3535
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,439
they've passed the threshold by which

3536
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:51,359
their brains can

3537
02:18:18,629 --> 02:17:52,479
a

3538
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:18,639
but we're

3539
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:19,760
and that's why we have people who have

3540
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:21,840
got psychic ability

3541
02:18:26,309 --> 02:18:23,840
like but limited i mean for the most

3542
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:26,319
part it's limited but we have some

3543
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,599
so we're we're kind of close and and our

3544
02:18:32,950 --> 02:18:31,519
brains allow us to have that because

3545
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:32,960
they organize

3546
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:34,719
they're organized in a very

3547
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:36,319
sophisticated way so let's just say

3548
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:38,080
other beings are a little bit ahead of

3549
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,639
us and so they can perceive the

3550
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:43,280
spiritual realm better than we can and

3551
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:44,800
if that's the case

3552
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:45,920
they

3553
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:48,639
well that gives them a lot of advantages

3554
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,160
over us in terms of their ability to

3555
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:52,559
deal with us doesn't it and

3556
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,599
um

3557
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,439
it would allow them to to do many many

3558
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,519
things that we are just not even aware

3559
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:58,960
of

3560
02:19:03,910 --> 02:19:01,280
definitely and and if they've been able

3561
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,920
to develop a technology for it i mean

3562
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:05,840
you go back into uh even books like

3563
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:07,840
linda multan how from over 20 years ago

3564
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:09,760
glimpses of other realities

3565
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:11,359
and you get uh

3566
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:15,519
ideas of like uh containers for souls

3567
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,599
you know i think that's in her book and

3568
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:19,040
this is an idea that's been talked about

3569
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:22,000
at least since the 90s maybe even sooner

3570
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:23,679
a container for your soul like what's

3571
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:25,200
that like a little box like what do you

3572
02:19:28,070 --> 02:19:26,559
do with that

3573
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:28,080
is it possible

3574
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:30,559
i i cannot say that i know that at all

3575
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:31,679
but

3576
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,200
um

3577
02:19:37,429 --> 02:19:35,359
if there is such a thing as that

3578
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:37,439
then as a soul

3579
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:38,800
that could

3580
02:19:42,309 --> 02:19:40,800
be extracted from a body could it be

3581
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:42,319
placed somewhere

3582
02:19:46,070 --> 02:19:44,160
in a container lined with lead for

3583
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:46,080
example who knows

3584
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:47,599
i'm just putting this this is just like

3585
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:51,120
us having some some chat here but

3586
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:52,000
it

3587
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:56,960
possible yeah absolutely possible

3588
02:20:02,309 --> 02:19:58,240
and

3589
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:02,319
you know they would be able to

3590
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:04,479
understand things about us you know in

3591
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:06,000
and we mentioned you mentioned whitley

3592
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:08,080
earlier and in uh it is in the communion

3593
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:10,880
letters in fact where he hypothesizes

3594
02:20:15,830 --> 02:20:13,600
toward the end of the book that

3595
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,840
like what if what if these beings these

3596
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:18,000
visitors as he calls them are just the

3597
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:19,600
dead

3598
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:25,520
and and that or or

3599
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,520
i mean he i think he really and and his

3600
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:29,439
wife uh i think she strongly believed

3601
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:30,640
this

3602
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:35,990
richard i had him on the show uh last

3603
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:38,160
week yeah and

3604
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:41,280
uh and i think that uh one of the things

3605
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:44,160
uh that i i think you and i appreciate

3606
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,399
uh about each other

3607
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:49,040
is our respect for whitley

3608
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,040
and and we we have been able to sit down

3609
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:53,680
and just pick his brain right well so

3610
02:21:01,270 --> 02:20:57,200
last week i specifically asked him about

3611
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:04,150
well uh i had brought up to how profound

3612
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:05,439
it was

3613
02:21:10,389 --> 02:21:08,399
for me this is like 15 years ago on

3614
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:10,399
dreamland on

3615
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:12,880
on his show and i forget who his guest

3616
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:13,680
was

3617
02:21:18,230 --> 02:21:16,640
but their conversations uh back then

3618
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:18,240
they're still great but i mean back then

3619
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:20,080
they they would go deep

3620
02:21:24,389 --> 02:21:21,920
and whitley

3621
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,399
just goes right there i'm i think the

3622
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:26,720
little blue troll guys

3623
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:29,280
were not aliens uh i believe that they

3624
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:31,520
are us in the afterlife

3625
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:33,760
right so he still said yes okay yeah

3626
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:35,600
yeah yeah yeah that was like what what

3627
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,880
did whitley say rewind right and i went

3628
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:40,560
back uh

3629
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,720
uh numerous times

3630
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:44,960
uh to listen to those statements of his

3631
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:46,960
and i asked him about that last week i

3632
02:21:51,750 --> 02:21:48,880
said what is it that you were trying to

3633
02:21:52,630 --> 02:21:51,760
say he said i'm saying just that yeah

3634
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:52,640
that

3635
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:55,040
this there's another dimension

3636
02:22:00,630 --> 02:21:57,439
and and that's it and they are coming

3637
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:00,640
back and we are seeing ourselves

3638
02:22:05,830 --> 02:22:04,240
uh how we will appear yeah i think he

3639
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:05,840
believes that because if you read you

3640
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:07,600
read the communion letters this is a

3641
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:08,560
very

3642
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,399
sometimes it's an overlooked book it's a

3643
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:12,399
really important book i think

3644
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:13,920
because what happened after after he

3645
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:16,800
wrote communion in 1987

3646
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,800
uh

3647
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,880
he and ann got thousands and thousands

3648
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:22,720
and thousands and thousands of letters

3649
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:24,960
from people around the world mostly the

3650
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,439
us but just thousands of people like

3651
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:29,680
literally many thousands pre-internet

3652
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,200
this is all like people writing at it by

3653
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,280
hand and we're typing it out

3654
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:36,160
and eventually anne did the real

3655
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,920
herculean job of going through most of

3656
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:39,680
them and editing them and they put them

3657
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:41,120
into this book called the communion

3658
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,680
letters and anyone can read it

3659
02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:45,840
and what the last uh i think it's the

3660
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:49,120
last one of the last chapters deals with

3661
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:52,160
these visitors and death

3662
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:53,920
and and there are a number of cases

3663
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:56,080
where people would write in

3664
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:58,000
where i can't remember some of the

3665
02:23:01,510 --> 02:23:00,000
specifics but when you read it and it's

3666
02:23:02,309 --> 02:23:01,520
like my goodness like

3667
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:02,319
this

3668
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:05,120
young boy who recently died was appeared

3669
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:07,600
with these et's to this individual for

3670
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,439
example and this is written right right

3671
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,240
right and on and on it's like

3672
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:13,920
it's as if

3673
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,880
uh like they

3674
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:19,200
they are us and and that could explain

3675
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:20,240
at least in

3676
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:22,000
this interpretation

3677
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:23,920
why people might feel like they get this

3678
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,479
intense feeling of love sometimes

3679
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:28,560
which sometimes people will report this

3680
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:29,760
like you're dealing with this

3681
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:31,280
horrifically

3682
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:34,080
ugly tall insect creature that would

3683
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:36,319
normally cause you to like

3684
02:23:41,270 --> 02:23:38,399
freaking lose your bowels right in front

3685
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:41,280
of it and and no instead you're like oh

3686
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:44,560
my god i love you you love me like why

3687
02:23:49,670 --> 02:23:46,960
you don't know this big six foot tall

3688
02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:49,680
insect why would you have love for it

3689
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:52,240
but is it possible

3690
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:53,760
i'm just throwing this is it really

3691
02:23:57,910 --> 02:23:55,040
whitley's thinking on this and ann's

3692
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:57,920
thinking was that that these beings

3693
02:24:02,710 --> 02:24:01,040
might well be us in our afterlife

3694
02:24:04,309 --> 02:24:02,720
and it's a pretty out there theory i

3695
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:04,319
don't know if i believe it

3696
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:06,080
there are some very weird things though

3697
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:08,160
about this phenomenon

3698
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:11,120
and is that is that part of the answer

3699
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:13,040
to the question of aliens being here

3700
02:24:16,950 --> 02:24:14,880
well i i don't know if that is part of

3701
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:16,960
the answer or if that's what we used to

3702
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,840
call a red herring a mistake

3703
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:21,600
uh because there's certainly a lot of

3704
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:25,359
evidence that the ufo phenomenon is

3705
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:28,960
uh is technological and

3706
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:31,520
and that the beings

3707
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:34,000
uh are acting in a way that

3708
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:35,280
i don't know it doesn't seem like

3709
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,880
they're us

3710
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:38,880
in the future and plus there's been a

3711
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:40,479
lot of variety of types of beings that

3712
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:43,920
have been reported so it's not clear

3713
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:45,359
it's a very there's a very complex

3714
02:24:50,150 --> 02:24:46,880
subject you know you're asking you know

3715
02:24:52,469 --> 02:24:50,160
where we were in the 1950s and today and

3716
02:24:54,309 --> 02:24:52,479
one of the things that i wish were true

3717
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,319
is that the ufo subject were as simple

3718
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:56,800
as it seemed in the 50s you know one

3719
02:25:02,070 --> 02:24:59,840
species one species from outer space is

3720
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:02,080
like okay fine maybe two all right fine

3721
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:02,960
too

3722
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:03,840
but like

3723
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:04,960
variety

3724
02:25:09,910 --> 02:25:07,760
yeah from mars

3725
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:09,920
but instead like this subject does not

3726
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:11,439
behave

3727
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,680
that's that's it's fascinating it's one

3728
02:25:18,950 --> 02:25:17,120
of the great things about it but it's

3729
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:18,960
maddening

3730
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:22,080
well when we when we contemplate i love

3731
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:24,640
the word ponder right so when we

3732
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:25,760
ponder

3733
02:25:31,270 --> 02:25:29,359
um who could be visiting us and now this

3734
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:31,280
is where the science for me helps me a

3735
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:32,160
lot

3736
02:25:37,030 --> 02:25:34,399
in that if we have

3737
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:37,040
50 billion earth-like planets with water

3738
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:39,120
in the goldilocks zone rocky planets

3739
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:41,040
right here in our milky way right in our

3740
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:43,520
galactic neighborhood right here well

3741
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:45,439
how many of those support life

3742
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:48,399
okay well okay with how many uh uh are

3743
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:51,280
intel okay intelligent how many are

3744
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:52,720
beyond us

3745
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:53,760
well

3746
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:57,200
the number is 40 billion so if you take

3747
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:59,840
a thousandth of a 40 billion i think you

3748
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:02,000
said earth earth like planets perhaps

3749
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:07,910
so now we are dealing with

3750
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:10,720
a number that is so crazy

3751
02:26:16,389 --> 02:26:13,600
which it could be yeah wow a hundred

3752
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:16,399
thousand advanced civilizations right

3753
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:17,280
here

3754
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:19,040
a hundred thou and that is just a

3755
02:26:24,230 --> 02:26:21,760
fraction of 50 billion it's just a

3756
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,240
fraction of planets well

3757
02:26:27,990 --> 02:26:26,720
they are from different parts of the

3758
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:28,000
milky way

3759
02:26:32,790 --> 02:26:30,240
they may not know so when we talk about

3760
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:32,800
mantis beings or nordics or little grays

3761
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:35,600
or little blue trolls i don't care

3762
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:38,000
of course it's going to be a wide

3763
02:26:40,710 --> 02:26:39,600
variety

3764
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:40,720
of

3765
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:47,280
this planet that can be the the craziest

3766
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,280
part of your imagination

3767
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:51,680
of what these beings may look like and

3768
02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:52,479
and

3769
02:26:57,910 --> 02:26:55,680
are they do they have empathy

3770
02:27:00,710 --> 02:26:57,920
right uh do they have souls are they

3771
02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:00,720
cold well they're all of those

3772
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:02,800
are they artificial intelligence are

3773
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:04,560
they robots are they

3774
02:27:07,110 --> 02:27:06,080
they're that too

3775
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:07,120
right

3776
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,309
yeah i think i like i like what you're

3777
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:14,399
saying here and um i would just go

3778
02:27:19,349 --> 02:27:18,000
further and just add that i i suspect

3779
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:19,359
this is what i wrote in my last book the

3780
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:20,960
alien agendas

3781
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:22,640
i suspect that

3782
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:26,319
they're here in large numbers now

3783
02:27:30,790 --> 02:27:29,040
in the last century

3784
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:30,800
for a particular reason like i think i

3785
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:32,240
think we've probably always been

3786
02:27:35,429 --> 02:27:34,080
monitored we may have been created we

3787
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:35,439
may have been i don't know about created

3788
02:27:37,590 --> 02:27:36,160
but

3789
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:37,600
modified

3790
02:27:43,429 --> 02:27:39,920
yes i i wonder about that

3791
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:43,439
um but certainly monitored

3792
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:46,560
and um at a low level i don't i don't

3793
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:48,640
think that they controlled us

3794
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,680
i don't know

3795
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:51,920
maybe um

3796
02:27:55,990 --> 02:27:53,920
maybe they've had avatars have come in

3797
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:56,000
from time to time possibly yeah but i

3798
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:59,040
think in the last century

3799
02:28:01,750 --> 02:28:00,000
we've definitely brought the

3800
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:01,760
neighborhood in because

3801
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:04,080
if they have the ability to monitor us

3802
02:28:07,750 --> 02:28:05,760
then they would have known

3803
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:07,760
about a hundred years ago that we were

3804
02:28:11,910 --> 02:28:09,840
just on the cusp of like

3805
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:11,920
leaping right into their world we're

3806
02:28:15,870 --> 02:28:14,640
just like right there uh you know with

3807
02:28:18,469 --> 02:28:15,880
the mass

3808
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:18,479
industrialization and application on a

3809
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:20,240
widespread basis of scientific

3810
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:23,280
principles of all kind we we basically

3811
02:28:27,750 --> 02:28:25,680
uh got the the fire of prometheus as i

3812
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,760
call it you know that the science the

3813
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:29,760
secret the keys to the kingdom the

3814
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:31,760
scientific method and we started really

3815
02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:33,439
applying it in the 19th century and then

3816
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,080
in the 20th century and now

3817
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:38,000
i mean all of this is really fast it's

3818
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:40,880
really rapid so uh we're just

3819
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:42,800
reinventing ourselves and now we are

3820
02:28:48,630 --> 02:28:45,520
creating ourselves as a new species

3821
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:48,640
um a really bizarre species and one that

3822
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:50,240
i don't i don't want to partake of it

3823
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:52,160
actually i don't want to be what we're

3824
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:53,600
going to become but i think it's

3825
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:57,040
inevitable frankly uh kind of like a

3826
02:29:02,630 --> 02:29:00,160
some kind of hive mind i think um

3827
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:02,640
almost like well i i think we're gonna i

3828
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:04,640
think we're gonna grow out of it

3829
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:07,760
and let me let me explain why and and

3830
02:29:10,870 --> 02:29:09,600
then i want to response before the break

3831
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:10,880
and then we'll come back and pick it up

3832
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:12,880
and it's this

3833
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:14,240
all of us

3834
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:16,319
were 20 years old

3835
02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:19,680
all of us partied stupidly all of us did

3836
02:29:25,590 --> 02:29:22,720
dumb things all of us jumped off of the

3837
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:25,600
second story

3838
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:27,840
you know of your house onto a mattress

3839
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:31,120
in the backyard we've all done stupid

3840
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:32,560
things but

3841
02:29:36,230 --> 02:29:34,479
we grew up

3842
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:36,240
and that's where i think that's where

3843
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:39,840
humanity is right now is we're growing

3844
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:43,040
out of that that that party stage that

3845
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:44,720
reckless stage

3846
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:48,080
and that eventually we are going to just

3847
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:49,200
mature

3848
02:29:55,590 --> 02:29:52,560
and realize that there is other things

3849
02:29:57,750 --> 02:29:55,600
and and hopefully making contact with et

3850
02:30:00,870 --> 02:29:57,760
directly gives us that hope for the

3851
02:30:03,110 --> 02:30:00,880
future and a reason to grow up and a

3852
02:30:04,550 --> 02:30:03,120
reason to mature i don't think we're

3853
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:04,560
going to remain

3854
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:07,439
stupid like we are forever i don't think

3855
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:08,800
we're going to burn this thing into the

3856
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:11,200
ground richard i i really don't

3857
02:30:16,510 --> 02:30:13,439
well i i would like that i do think we

3858
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:16,520
already have the answers spiritually and

3859
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,600
ethically uh we don't need aliens to to

3860
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:21,439
give us higher consciousness you know we

3861
02:30:24,389 --> 02:30:22,800
had people like buddha we had people

3862
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:24,399
like jesus they they already came up

3863
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:25,920
with the answers

3864
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:28,479
honestly they already did it's like all

3865
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:30,800
right desire is the cause of suffering

3866
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:35,349
and love others

3867
02:30:39,590 --> 02:30:37,600
love your enemies that's hard to do

3868
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:39,600
that's really hard but these are ethical

3869
02:30:45,190 --> 02:30:41,840
injunctions like we've already

3870
02:30:47,590 --> 02:30:45,200
we already know what we should be doing

3871
02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:47,600
to make this inherently screwed up

3872
02:30:52,230 --> 02:30:50,399
proposition known as human civilization

3873
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:52,240
to work at least somewhat well like

3874
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:53,920
human civilization is not a natural

3875
02:30:57,510 --> 02:30:55,840
thing and we

3876
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:57,520
we're not naturally supposed to live

3877
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:59,280
like this i don't think we're naturally

3878
02:31:02,230 --> 02:31:00,560
supposed to live in

3879
02:31:04,230 --> 02:31:02,240
small communities where we know everyone

3880
02:31:06,550 --> 02:31:04,240
and we don't do that anymore so to make

3881
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:06,560
it work we need

3882
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:09,120
uh we need a really proper

3883
02:31:13,830 --> 02:31:11,040
ethical system that we incorporate and

3884
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:13,840
we we've never succeeded in doing that

3885
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:15,359
we've had a few people who've led the

3886
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,880
way and they've said this is how you do

3887
02:31:20,550 --> 02:31:18,080
it and everyone's like yeah that's a

3888
02:31:21,990 --> 02:31:20,560
great idea and then we go back to our

3889
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:22,000
our old ways

3890
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:24,000
so how to change

3891
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:25,520
i don't know other than changing

3892
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:28,800
ourselves as a species and i don't like

3893
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:30,399
the idea of changing ourselves as a

3894
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:31,840
species so i

3895
02:31:35,670 --> 02:31:33,760
i don't really know what the solution is

3896
02:31:39,270 --> 02:31:35,680
i suspect what's happening is

3897
02:31:41,190 --> 02:31:39,280
we're moving very rapidly

3898
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:41,200
uh we're being pushed into this this

3899
02:31:45,750 --> 02:31:43,120
might have happened naturally over maybe

3900
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:45,760
several thousand years but we have a

3901
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:47,680
global elite system that's now pushing

3902
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:49,760
us very rapidly into this

3903
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:52,000
much much faster than we should

3904
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,560
into a kind of hive

3905
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:56,479
ant hill like an ant hill basically

3906
02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:58,080
where we're all being controlled we're

3907
02:32:02,469 --> 02:32:00,160
all being surveilled we're all like the

3908
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:02,479
wiggle room that freedom used to give us

3909
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:05,040
that's that's going away and so we're

3910
02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:05,920
we're

3911
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:07,680
rapidly being forced within the space of

3912
02:32:11,429 --> 02:32:09,200
a couple of generations to become

3913
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:11,439
something totally different

3914
02:32:16,389 --> 02:32:13,920
and we could do that

3915
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:16,399
given a longer amount of time

3916
02:32:20,389 --> 02:32:18,640
but i just think doing it as rapidly as

3917
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:20,399
we are doing it is going to cause a lot

3918
02:32:22,870 --> 02:32:21,920
of people to have some serious mental

3919
02:32:25,670 --> 02:32:22,880
illness

3920
02:32:27,270 --> 02:32:25,680
and just seriously bad maladaptive

3921
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:27,280
behaviors

3922
02:32:31,510 --> 02:32:29,280
and psychosis and all that other stuff

3923
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:31,520
like we're just changing too rapidly but

3924
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:33,120
you can see that there's this effort

3925
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:35,840
being made to change the human being at

3926
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:38,560
a fundamental level worldwide

3927
02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:39,840
it'll take longer

3928
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:41,680
you know what i'm just going to say this

3929
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:43,520
right now uh

3930
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:45,760
uh screw the commercials let's just keep

3931
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:46,960
going

3932
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:47,760
all right

3933
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:51,040
but didn't didn't we have that exact

3934
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:53,600
same thing i'm going to make two points

3935
02:32:59,750 --> 02:32:56,479
we had that a thousand years ago with

3936
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:59,760
the lords and the land owners and and

3937
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:02,000
the kings and the monarchies of europe

3938
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,080
where it was total dominant control of

3939
02:33:08,389 --> 02:33:06,479
the masses and the mines

3940
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:08,399
right and and

3941
02:33:13,670 --> 02:33:09,280
that

3942
02:33:14,550 --> 02:33:13,680
but you're right it's cyclical right are

3943
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:14,560
we

3944
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:22,560
of revolutions man there's a lot of

3945
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:26,000
bloodletting over mind control

3946
02:33:30,309 --> 02:33:28,080
of the masses uh a thousand years ago

3947
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:30,319
fifteen hundred years yeah no no i'm

3948
02:33:33,510 --> 02:33:32,000
glad you brought this up actually when

3949
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:33,520
you really look at it in the long

3950
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:35,840
history of human civilization we've only

3951
02:33:39,349 --> 02:33:37,680
had freedom freedom was this little

3952
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,359
brief thing

3953
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:41,920
uh you know really only we only started

3954
02:33:45,910 --> 02:33:43,760
to see genuine freedom

3955
02:33:47,590 --> 02:33:45,920
now you could say like during the age of

3956
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,600
exploration you start getting a middle

3957
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,280
class happening

3958
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:51,680
and as a result of that

3959
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:53,920
it required people who could be kind of

3960
02:33:58,469 --> 02:33:56,800
independent and go out on their own

3961
02:34:00,309 --> 02:33:58,479
you have to be a strong independently

3962
02:34:02,469 --> 02:34:00,319
minded person out of that you get the

3963
02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:02,479
development of an ideology based on

3964
02:34:04,630 --> 02:34:03,439
freedom

3965
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:04,640
uh that gives you the american

3966
02:34:08,550 --> 02:34:06,080
revolution

3967
02:34:10,389 --> 02:34:08,560
and and you have a viable middle class

3968
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:10,399
for the first time really in history

3969
02:34:14,790 --> 02:34:12,240
that is creating and inventing all these

3970
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:14,800
amazing things and increasing wealth for

3971
02:34:18,150 --> 02:34:16,800
the entire world frankly

3972
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:18,160
so with that

3973
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:20,160
with a with a viable middle class you

3974
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:22,560
need intellectual freedom and so for

3975
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:24,640
like two three centuries we kind of had

3976
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,600
that

3977
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:28,080
but uh what we what we might find is

3978
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:30,000
that that was a historical anomaly

3979
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:32,399
that's possible and and what we might

3980
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:34,240
see and you get all the good all these

3981
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:36,160
crazy people at the world economic forum

3982
02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:39,760
uh what's his name yuval nora harari

3983
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:42,160
he's got the ear of carl schwab and he's

3984
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:44,640
talking like you know there's no soul

3985
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:46,399
there's no spirituality you're not

3986
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:48,560
anything you're we're just gonna control

3987
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:51,280
people completely forever

3988
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:52,319
uh

3989
02:34:56,150 --> 02:34:54,319
through all kinds of mind control and

3990
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:56,160
you know i don't think he has a problem

3991
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:58,000
with that and and really what i think

3992
02:35:02,070 --> 02:35:00,080
we're looking at is

3993
02:35:03,429 --> 02:35:02,080
uh with with all of the algorithms that

3994
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:03,439
are coming now that doing all the

3995
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:05,280
intellectual labor that people used to

3996
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:07,680
need to do with generative artificial

3997
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:10,960
intelligence coming aboard which is

3998
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:12,800
i mean my god the where they're at right

3999
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:15,840
now is already nobel level work and

4000
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:17,040
beyond

4001
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:19,439
and so human intellectual labor is less

4002
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:21,120
and less critical

4003
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:22,560
to all this i mean there's still good

4004
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:24,720
you still need some people who are

4005
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:27,760
brilliant but not as many and and

4006
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:28,960
they're just going to be working for the

4007
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:31,120
big corporate interests anyway

4008
02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:34,399
so my point is that human freedom

4009
02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:37,200
is i think increasingly being seen by

4010
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:38,840
the people at the top of our little

4011
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:41,600
hierarchy as this kind of unnecessary

4012
02:35:44,070 --> 02:35:42,880
anachronism

4013
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:44,080
so i think that they're going to be

4014
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:45,359
looking at

4015
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:47,359
going back to

4016
02:35:52,550 --> 02:35:50,240
the lords of the manor and

4017
02:35:53,750 --> 02:35:52,560
the people who are basically

4018
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:53,760
running the world and and they'll

4019
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,040
probably end up creating some kind of

4020
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:57,520
biologically based caste system in the

4021
02:36:00,070 --> 02:35:58,479
process

4022
02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:00,080
because is everyone gonna really have

4023
02:36:03,190 --> 02:36:02,479
access to all the good genetics and all

4024
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:03,200
the

4025
02:36:08,150 --> 02:36:05,840
know

4026
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:08,160
i somehow don't think that'll happen so

4027
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:10,160
i think it'll go to those people who are

4028
02:36:15,349 --> 02:36:13,040
able to maintain control

4029
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:15,359
um maybe i'm wrong uh maybe maybe it'll

4030
02:36:20,469 --> 02:36:17,520
be a lot of do-it-yourself gene therapy

4031
02:36:21,910 --> 02:36:20,479
and and hackers that'll be

4032
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:21,920
you kind of wonder what the human race

4033
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:23,359
is going to look like then

4034
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:25,200
holy crap like that's almost that's

4035
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,640
almost as crazy as anything else but

4036
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:31,120
we're we're on the verge of recreating

4037
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:34,560
our whole species in a way that

4038
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:38,160
strikes me as literally as insane like

4039
02:36:43,910 --> 02:36:40,720
as a literal form of insanity

4040
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,920
and i just don't think is gonna end well

4041
02:36:48,469 --> 02:36:45,840
i don't know like i think evolution's

4042
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:48,479
one thing you want natural evolution

4043
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:51,040
but what we're doing this this ain't

4044
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:52,080
natural

4045
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,920
this is something different

4046
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,120
i just can't think it's going to end

4047
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:57,200
well i want to stay with e.t for a

4048
02:37:00,309 --> 02:36:58,800
second because

4049
02:37:02,070 --> 02:37:00,319
i'm going to swing this around and tie

4050
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:02,080
it into elon musk

4051
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,450
watch how i do this okay so

4052
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:06,319
[Laughter]

4053
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:07,760
is

4054
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,280
we have

4055
02:37:13,830 --> 02:37:11,760
going back to this 1947 how much have we

4056
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:13,840
learned thing

4057
02:37:19,590 --> 02:37:15,920
certainly science today

4058
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,600
has introduced us to concepts of of

4059
02:37:23,750 --> 02:37:21,120
technology and

4060
02:37:25,830 --> 02:37:23,760
and and the possibilities of travel and

4061
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,840
how we would do this including like

4062
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:28,160
movies like interstellar right where we

4063
02:37:32,950 --> 02:37:29,920
are introducing these concepts and i

4064
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:32,960
love science fiction for doing that but

4065
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:34,160
uh

4066
02:37:40,150 --> 02:37:37,120
the whole nuts and bolts

4067
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:40,160
metallic flying saucer dude in there you

4068
02:37:45,190 --> 02:37:43,120
know with the joystick um which is you

4069
02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:45,200
know happening for sure

4070
02:37:51,030 --> 02:37:48,880
but there's the other ideas of

4071
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:51,040
it's not necessarily about traveling

4072
02:37:57,670 --> 02:37:52,720
great distances

4073
02:38:02,550 --> 02:37:57,680
making them shorter

4074
02:38:04,710 --> 02:38:02,560
how do you think et is managing to visit

4075
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:04,720
this planet

4076
02:38:08,870 --> 02:38:07,280
i think they they figured out their own

4077
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:08,880
mathematics of something a little bit

4078
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:11,760
more advanced than the alkabir equation

4079
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:14,160
so miguel alcubierre in the 1990s came

4080
02:38:17,830 --> 02:38:15,520
up you know with kind of like the

4081
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,840
physics of work uh the math of warp

4082
02:38:21,670 --> 02:38:19,680
drive so to speak

4083
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:21,680
and uh

4084
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,359
you know as he as he conceived that at

4085
02:38:28,950 --> 02:38:25,280
the time

4086
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:28,960
it it seemed theoretically possible to

4087
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:31,520
create a space-time warping around your

4088
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,720
craft

4089
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:34,160
the problem is simply that the amount of

4090
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,680
energy required to do it just seemed

4091
02:38:39,190 --> 02:38:37,280
like more than what was in the entire

4092
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:39,200
universe so it seemed like it'd be

4093
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:40,960
impractical i don't think that's the

4094
02:38:45,590 --> 02:38:42,800
obstacle any longer i think uh you've

4095
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,600
got some very smart people looking at

4096
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:47,680
uh loopholes

4097
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:49,520
in that and uh maybe a whole lot of

4098
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:51,680
energy may not be needed to create a

4099
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:57,670
field around a craft and if that's the

4100
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:58,720
case

4101
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:00,319
it would be

4102
02:39:03,510 --> 02:39:01,760
relatively

4103
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:03,520
cost effective

4104
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:05,040
in theory

4105
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:06,080
to

4106
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:06,960
warp

4107
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:08,640
space

4108
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:10,319
from one part of the galaxy or even

4109
02:39:13,349 --> 02:39:12,240
universe to another

4110
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:13,359
um

4111
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:15,280
and that wouldn't you wouldn't violate

4112
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:16,880
the speed of light

4113
02:39:20,309 --> 02:39:18,479
uh law

4114
02:39:22,710 --> 02:39:20,319
you'd be essentially

4115
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:22,720
because within your space-time bubble

4116
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:25,200
you're still obeying all the standard

4117
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:26,960
newtonian physics but

4118
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,720
this this is a little bit beyond so this

4119
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:31,120
is i mean even bob lazar described this

4120
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:33,200
what 30 plus years ago when he was doing

4121
02:39:36,389 --> 02:39:34,319
his

4122
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:36,399
you know run at the physics of flying

4123
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:39,760
saucers they kind of warp space

4124
02:39:42,790 --> 02:39:41,200
in front of them and stretch it out

4125
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:42,800
behind them and all that i think that's

4126
02:39:45,670 --> 02:39:43,920
um

4127
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,680
i think that's kind of probably what

4128
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:47,200
they do

4129
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:52,950
now the other possibility is are they

4130
02:39:55,510 --> 02:39:53,920
are they

4131
02:39:56,870 --> 02:39:55,520
you know you got whitley's idea that

4132
02:39:59,750 --> 02:39:56,880
they're the dead

4133
02:40:01,750 --> 02:39:59,760
i i don't i mean it's a fascinating idea

4134
02:40:03,110 --> 02:40:01,760
but but forget that for a minute and

4135
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:03,120
just talk about

4136
02:40:06,790 --> 02:40:04,960
if there's a way to understand

4137
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:06,800
dimensions

4138
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:12,000
uh i i to this day i don't know how i

4139
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:13,600
subscribe to this idea like an

4140
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:16,399
interdimensional theory of ufos

4141
02:40:21,349 --> 02:40:18,880
i can't rule it out

4142
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:21,359
maybe these beings live in

4143
02:40:24,469 --> 02:40:23,040
you know what is it that membrane like

4144
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:24,479
you got the brain right in front of you

4145
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:25,840
right and there's like this other

4146
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:26,960
universe and then there's this other

4147
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:28,880
universe here and maybe they just can

4148
02:40:31,830 --> 02:40:30,240
break through

4149
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:31,840
this brain and now they're in our

4150
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:33,840
universe and then they figured out a way

4151
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:36,960
to leave it and go through there

4152
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:38,319
is that it i

4153
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:39,520
i don't know

4154
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,800
it wouldn't make them any less

4155
02:40:44,870 --> 02:40:42,479
extraterrestrial frankly they're just

4156
02:40:46,870 --> 02:40:44,880
coming from another place

4157
02:40:49,030 --> 02:40:46,880
i mean what really is the difference in

4158
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:49,040
in practical terms with us they're

4159
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,000
they're either coming from another

4160
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:52,160
dimension or they're coming from another

4161
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:53,920
planet whatever it is they're coming

4162
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:57,200
from somewhere that's not here so

4163
02:41:01,110 --> 02:40:59,040
so i mean i don't know the science that

4164
02:41:04,550 --> 02:41:01,120
they're using i just i yeah but it's

4165
02:41:06,950 --> 02:41:04,560
that's exactly it though whatever it is

4166
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:06,960
it's friggin easy

4167
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:08,560
that's the thing

4168
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:10,479
we're trying to make this complex

4169
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:12,880
because we don't understand it right

4170
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:15,680
whatever it is it's easy richard you're

4171
02:41:21,349 --> 02:41:18,720
right right you are you driving

4172
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:21,359
you're driving across town

4173
02:41:27,750 --> 02:41:24,479
uh with gps right

4174
02:41:31,269 --> 02:41:27,760
uh after the show tonight to go and get

4175
02:41:34,469 --> 02:41:31,279
uh tracy and you uh some burgers from a

4176
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:34,479
24-hour burger stand across uh the other

4177
02:41:39,110 --> 02:41:36,399
side of rochester and you're gonna come

4178
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:39,120
back with root beer floats hot fries and

4179
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:40,640
burgers

4180
02:41:44,710 --> 02:41:42,720
in 30 minutes and you're going to do a

4181
02:41:45,670 --> 02:41:44,720
20-mile round trip

4182
02:41:48,389 --> 02:41:45,680
well

4183
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:48,399
tell that to somebody 200 years ago yeah

4184
02:41:53,269 --> 02:41:50,880
exactly it would look at you like it's

4185
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,279
some kind of black magic sorcery you

4186
02:41:57,349 --> 02:41:55,439
know what you're so right

4187
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:57,359
uh one of the greatest most creative

4188
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:59,200
writers in american history was edgar

4189
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:01,200
allan poe right

4190
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:03,200
and i mean the guy had an imagination

4191
02:42:09,070 --> 02:42:04,880
like you've got to give him that

4192
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:09,080
now he died in uh i think it was

4193
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:12,800
1848 or 49 somewhere around that

4194
02:42:17,030 --> 02:42:14,880
too young he was too young so toward the

4195
02:42:19,230 --> 02:42:17,040
end of his life he wrote up us this

4196
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:19,240
little piece of fiction called

4197
02:42:24,070 --> 02:42:21,520
melantonta or something like that

4198
02:42:28,150 --> 02:42:24,080
so it takes place 1 000 years in the

4199
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:28,160
future so in the year 2848

4200
02:42:33,349 --> 02:42:31,439
2008 48 that's when he wrote he says it

4201
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:33,359
and it and it's a series of

4202
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:35,760
communications from a person who is

4203
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:38,720
traversing in the most advanced form

4204
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:40,640
of transportation

4205
02:42:43,830 --> 02:42:42,319
at that time and that form of

4206
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:43,840
transportation was

4207
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:47,040
high altitude high-speed balloons

4208
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:47,840
so

4209
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:50,160
a thousand years and this is edgar allan

4210
02:42:55,030 --> 02:42:52,880
poe guy had a tremendous imagination

4211
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:55,040
he's looking into the future

4212
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:57,120
a thousand years and he comes up with

4213
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,560
balloons

4214
02:43:02,710 --> 02:43:00,800
because that's what he knew

4215
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:02,720
now i mean he was in a sense that was

4216
02:43:06,790 --> 02:43:04,640
almost like a political commentary he's

4217
02:43:09,030 --> 02:43:06,800
kind of a satire but even so

4218
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:09,040
thousand years ahead edgar allan poe

4219
02:43:15,110 --> 02:43:11,760
gives you balloons so we we don't

4220
02:43:17,030 --> 02:43:15,120
our ability to predict

4221
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:17,040
not none of the greatest sci-fi writers

4222
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:18,240
of the 20th century predicted the

4223
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:20,160
internet not philip k dick not isaac

4224
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:22,640
asimov they didn't see the internet

4225
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:24,479
not arthur c clark

4226
02:43:27,830 --> 02:43:25,680
no

4227
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:27,840
they were geniuses all of them they

4228
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:29,439
couldn't see

4229
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:32,000
something as radical

4230
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:34,720
groundbreaking as the internet

4231
02:43:39,349 --> 02:43:35,680
so

4232
02:43:41,550 --> 02:43:39,359
what you're saying i get it man i mean

4233
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:41,560
there are going to be

4234
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:46,080
revolutions scientifically coming ahead

4235
02:43:49,030 --> 02:43:46,960
and

4236
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:49,040
you know a lot of i mean i've i've been

4237
02:43:53,110 --> 02:43:50,080
looking at the world very

4238
02:43:54,190 --> 02:43:53,120
pessimistically lately it's true

4239
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:54,200
but um

4240
02:43:57,590 --> 02:43:55,279
[Music]

4241
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:57,600
but i've i can't see

4242
02:44:02,630 --> 02:43:59,279
the breakthroughs

4243
02:44:03,670 --> 02:44:02,640
that undoubtedly are there i can't see

4244
02:44:06,550 --> 02:44:03,680
those

4245
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:06,560
all i can do is i'm i'm looking ahead in

4246
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:08,080
our near future

4247
02:44:14,469 --> 02:44:10,399
the next few generations at a system of

4248
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:16,710
that really bothers me

4249
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:17,760
but

4250
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:19,920
it's true like there are

4251
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:22,080
there's potential breakout technology of

4252
02:44:24,469 --> 02:44:23,279
all kinds that

4253
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:24,479
i just

4254
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:26,240
can't imagine it right now

4255
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:27,439
yeah

4256
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,160
it's gotta be it's it's it it

4257
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,640
has to be as easy

4258
02:44:35,830 --> 02:44:34,319
as anything that you're thinking about

4259
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:35,840
right now whatever it is

4260
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:38,240
with the easy thing

4261
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:40,560
that you can think of right the easy

4262
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:43,359
some easy thing

4263
02:44:48,070 --> 02:44:45,439
how natural is it

4264
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:48,080
and i know this sounds so fundamental

4265
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:49,840
today to say

4266
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:53,120
but we need to not let loose of this

4267
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:56,560
how crazy is it that you can be driving

4268
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:58,399
in your car

4269
02:45:02,710 --> 02:44:59,760
and you go

4270
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:02,720
i need to calm i gotta call my friend in

4271
02:45:05,429 --> 02:45:04,399
zimbabwe

4272
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:05,439
right

4273
02:45:07,750 --> 02:45:06,479
and just

4274
02:45:10,790 --> 02:45:07,760
what's up

4275
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:10,800
right how crazy i mean

4276
02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:13,600
that is just but wait a minute it's like

4277
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:16,160
jimmy that is the stupidest thing it's

4278
02:45:19,269 --> 02:45:18,319
easy to do we just do it

4279
02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:19,279
well

4280
02:45:26,469 --> 02:45:23,200
when e.t says you don't get it man

4281
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:28,150
for us to come here and hang out with

4282
02:45:30,870 --> 02:45:29,120
you

4283
02:45:33,510 --> 02:45:30,880
we just do it

4284
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:33,520
just like you going to get those burgers

4285
02:45:38,469 --> 02:45:36,000
you know it's just

4286
02:45:41,990 --> 02:45:39,830
it's got to be it's going to be

4287
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:42,000
something so fundamental it probably

4288
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:44,319
doesn't even involve math

4289
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:46,000
right

4290
02:45:50,950 --> 02:45:48,399
there's an old wonderful song

4291
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:50,960
uh from the 30s

4292
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:52,399
what's the name of it billy holliday was

4293
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:55,439
one singer of it the line in there

4294
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:56,960
the difficult

4295
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:59,279
i'll do right now the impossible will

4296
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:00,880
take a little while

4297
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:02,640
that's the line

4298
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:04,000
and uh

4299
02:46:08,469 --> 02:46:06,240
yeah that's that's them i mean they've

4300
02:46:09,750 --> 02:46:08,479
they've figured out

4301
02:46:13,030 --> 02:46:09,760
obviously they figured all kinds of

4302
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:13,040
things that we that we haven't yet

4303
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,279
so um yeah we will and the process of

4304
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:17,520
figuring these things out will will

4305
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:20,160
definitely change human society and and

4306
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:22,640
will change the human species

4307
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:24,880
and um

4308
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:27,200
we will adapt to meet those changes we

4309
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:29,200
you know that's our evolution

4310
02:46:33,190 --> 02:46:32,160
and here's the crazy part and this is

4311
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:33,200
this is

4312
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:35,120
how elon musk comes into this

4313
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:37,520
conversation right

4314
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:39,279
because

4315
02:46:46,070 --> 02:46:41,840
in 2020

4316
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:46,080
elon musk was worth 25 billion dollars

4317
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:47,359
that's it

4318
02:46:51,830 --> 02:46:48,560
today

4319
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:51,840
he's worth over 3

4320
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,830
dude come on man

4321
02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:59,680
whatever that doesn't matter right now

4322
02:47:05,830 --> 02:47:01,439
it doesn't matter

4323
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:05,840
so um and in the span of somebody that

4324
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:08,479
just turned 50

4325
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:14,240
right he controls space

4326
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:16,640
he controls batteries and solar powers

4327
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:19,120
in the electric car market he's driving

4328
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:21,680
all form he's digging tunnels he is

4329
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:23,040
bruce wayne

4330
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:23,760
right

4331
02:47:27,910 --> 02:47:26,640
like he is the real bruce wayne so

4332
02:47:29,030 --> 02:47:27,920
quickly

4333
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:29,040
and then

4334
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:31,040
you know he wakes up last month and goes

4335
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:32,960
you know what i think i'm gonna buy the

4336
02:47:41,030 --> 02:47:39,750
you know

4337
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:41,040
you're going somewhere with us so where

4338
02:47:44,790 --> 02:47:42,640
are you going

4339
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:44,800
my point is

4340
02:47:50,710 --> 02:47:48,479
elon musk taking control of a company

4341
02:47:52,309 --> 02:47:50,720
now twitter

4342
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:52,319
we can look at facebook with three

4343
02:47:57,030 --> 02:47:54,080
billion you know or we could look at

4344
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:57,040
apple or we could look at amazon and and

4345
02:48:01,110 --> 02:47:59,359
server farms and different aspects of

4346
02:48:03,750 --> 02:48:01,120
the internet but

4347
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:03,760
nobody is going to tell you

4348
02:48:08,550 --> 02:48:04,960
that

4349
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:08,560
global change or politics or breaking

4350
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:09,600
news

4351
02:48:17,349 --> 02:48:10,880
happened

4352
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:17,359
whatever you know pick the platform

4353
02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:18,800
twitter

4354
02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:22,720
is that platform and not only for

4355
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:25,439
communication but for social change for

4356
02:48:29,910 --> 02:48:26,640
ideas

4357
02:48:33,830 --> 02:48:29,920
and what governments use to announce

4358
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:33,840
things it's a crazy platform right for a

4359
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,319
man that already controls so many other

4360
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:38,240
aspects of our lives

4361
02:48:45,910 --> 02:48:42,160
to wrestle control of and he did do that

4362
02:48:47,910 --> 02:48:45,920
is this dangerous or is this something

4363
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:47,920
that is okay

4364
02:48:50,870 --> 02:48:49,760
it could be either of those i mean of

4365
02:48:53,429 --> 02:48:50,880
course it could be dangerous but of

4366
02:48:55,030 --> 02:48:53,439
course twitter had already become

4367
02:48:57,830 --> 02:48:55,040
uh had already

4368
02:48:59,910 --> 02:48:57,840
done damage in a lot of ways to the

4369
02:49:01,830 --> 02:48:59,920
political discourse i know some people

4370
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:01,840
may disagree with that but it's my

4371
02:49:07,830 --> 02:49:05,680
opinion so i think with with musk uh

4372
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,840
we i mean our system got is so

4373
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:09,840
dysfunctional we we don't have a

4374
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:12,000
functioning

4375
02:49:16,230 --> 02:49:14,399
democratic political system we just

4376
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:16,240
really don't and

4377
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,920
and so twitter

4378
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:19,439
i think it came down to the fact that

4379
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:21,040
the world's richest man had to take

4380
02:49:25,429 --> 02:49:23,040
control of this to say yes i believe in

4381
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:25,439
freedom of expression freedom of speech

4382
02:49:30,870 --> 02:49:28,800
the fact that twitter if if he is able

4383
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:30,880
to do that is he's got his work cut out

4384
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:32,640
from because the the first person who

4385
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:34,800
gets killed due to some threat from

4386
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:35,920
twitter

4387
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:37,760
uh you know the hammer's gonna come down

4388
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:39,200
i mean you could even see a repeal of

4389
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:41,040
section 230

4390
02:49:45,990 --> 02:49:43,680
uh which is the the whole thing that has

4391
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:46,000
allowed free speech on the internet

4392
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:47,279
uh there are people who really want to

4393
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:49,200
take 230 down a lot of republicans and

4394
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:51,600
democrats both want to take 230 down and

4395
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:53,520
what that basically does it means like

4396
02:49:57,910 --> 02:49:55,840
if if something bad happens on facebook

4397
02:49:59,990 --> 02:49:57,920
or on twitter or whatever you can't sue

4398
02:50:02,630 --> 02:50:00,000
facebook you can't sue twitter

4399
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:02,640
they're they're platforms

4400
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:05,120
and um but there are people who want to

4401
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:07,040
remove that protection

4402
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:09,120
a lot of republicans were ticked off

4403
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:10,560
under trump because they were saying you

4404
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:12,560
know these these organizations are

4405
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,640
acting like publishers when they're

4406
02:50:19,110 --> 02:50:16,800
supposed to be platforms therefore they

4407
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:19,120
should lose their 230 status but there

4408
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:20,720
there are also politicians who want to

4409
02:50:24,469 --> 02:50:22,800
eliminate 230 altogether

4410
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:24,479
and two of them are named biden and

4411
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:26,960
trump both of them have

4412
02:50:31,349 --> 02:50:28,800
so you've got the last two presidents

4413
02:50:33,190 --> 02:50:31,359
want 230 gone

4414
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:33,200
and uh i don't know if it's for the same

4415
02:50:36,550 --> 02:50:34,240
reasons for different reasons or

4416
02:50:39,830 --> 02:50:36,560
whatever but they both want it gone

4417
02:50:42,469 --> 02:50:39,840
and so if it goes away you lose

4418
02:50:44,389 --> 02:50:42,479
you'll immediately see all the platforms

4419
02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:44,399
immediately close ranks because they

4420
02:50:48,150 --> 02:50:46,319
they've got to protect against lawsuits

4421
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:48,160
so the internet will totally change but

4422
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:49,279
right now

4423
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:51,680
musk back to him if he's able

4424
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:53,520
through some miracle to keep twitter as

4425
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:56,240
a genuinely open platform

4426
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,600
uh that's actually gonna be really

4427
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:58,800
interesting and it's interesting for

4428
02:51:03,429 --> 02:51:01,200
ufos as everything else because what you

4429
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:03,439
had before was all of the big tech

4430
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:05,200
platforms google

4431
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:08,160
uh twitter facebook you know and all the

4432
02:51:14,309 --> 02:51:11,520
all the subsidiary ones instagram and um

4433
02:51:16,950 --> 02:51:14,319
whatever like essentially

4434
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:16,960
closing the spigots and and working on

4435
02:51:20,950 --> 02:51:18,880
behalf of congress

4436
02:51:22,469 --> 02:51:20,960
and and their insanity about russia and

4437
02:51:24,230 --> 02:51:22,479
like you can't say this you got to do

4438
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:24,240
this you have to censor this and they

4439
02:51:27,750 --> 02:51:25,760
were all doing that

4440
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:27,760
and they it's collusion

4441
02:51:32,710 --> 02:51:30,479
but if one of those majors breaks ranks

4442
02:51:33,830 --> 02:51:32,720
and twitter might now be might break

4443
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:33,840
ranks

4444
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:36,720
uh that makes it very difficult so so uh

4445
02:51:40,309 --> 02:51:38,560
it really does open up

4446
02:51:41,750 --> 02:51:40,319
things in a way that

4447
02:51:43,750 --> 02:51:41,760
i didn't see opening up i don't think

4448
02:51:45,269 --> 02:51:43,760
anyone saw so that's a that's a

4449
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:45,279
potentially good sign how long it will

4450
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,399
last

4451
02:51:51,269 --> 02:51:49,040
i know it is you know that's a nice

4452
02:51:52,309 --> 02:51:51,279
maybe they they want a battle but

4453
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:52,319
i'm not sure that means they're going to

4454
02:51:58,550 --> 02:51:55,600
win the war but in the near term

4455
02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:58,560
it will open up political discourse

4456
02:52:02,710 --> 02:52:01,040
radically potentially

4457
02:52:04,230 --> 02:52:02,720
and um

4458
02:52:05,110 --> 02:52:04,240
it'll be it's going to be an interesting

4459
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:05,120
year

4460
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:07,359
the ufo part will be will be affected

4461
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:08,160
because

4462
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:10,800
right ufos here's the thing that

4463
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:12,399
every one of us needs to remember about

4464
02:52:17,190 --> 02:52:15,120
the ufo subject we don't want to say

4465
02:52:18,790 --> 02:52:17,200
this but it's true the ufo subject is

4466
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:18,800
dangerous

4467
02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:23,040
politically subversive

4468
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,600
like it is all of those things

4469
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:27,600
and you know i understand when lou

4470
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:29,200
elizondo will

4471
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:31,600
you know he's got to be very careful

4472
02:52:36,309 --> 02:52:34,080
and he'll say these very

4473
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,319
relatively i mean he's put a lot of

4474
02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:38,000
things out there i want to give him full

4475
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:40,720
credit but he's still very careful he's

4476
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:42,880
got his own clearances you got to worry

4477
02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:45,120
about and so

4478
02:52:49,110 --> 02:52:47,520
they they a lot of people in public will

4479
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:49,120
play along with the fiction well you

4480
02:52:52,150 --> 02:52:50,160
know

4481
02:52:53,910 --> 02:52:52,160
we wonder what's out there i don't think

4482
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:53,920
they wonder at all they know exactly and

4483
02:52:56,950 --> 02:52:54,720
they

4484
02:52:58,870 --> 02:52:56,960
and the fact is that the cover-up that's

4485
02:53:01,590 --> 02:52:58,880
occurred is

4486
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:01,600
trying to get technical it's criminal

4487
02:53:06,389 --> 02:53:03,840
so so when you get into the depth of the

4488
02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:06,399
ufo subject you really go into the depth

4489
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:08,399
of it it is

4490
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:10,960
absolutely subversive

4491
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:13,680
to the power structure of our world

4492
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,359
that's a fact and so what that means is

4493
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:19,439
you have to expect that all of the

4494
02:53:23,110 --> 02:53:21,760
censorship and all of the hammers that

4495
02:53:25,510 --> 02:53:23,120
are coming down on free speech

4496
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:25,520
everywhere that will apply to the ufo

4497
02:53:28,070 --> 02:53:26,640
subject

4498
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:28,080
in fact we know that it already is

4499
02:53:32,630 --> 02:53:30,080
applying to the ufo subject

4500
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:32,640
but it will continue to so

4501
02:53:37,590 --> 02:53:34,960
the ufos will be safe to talk about as

4502
02:53:43,269 --> 02:53:37,600
long as

4503
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:43,279
conspiratorial you start going into

4504
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:45,279
serious political and conspiratorial

4505
02:53:49,990 --> 02:53:48,000
analysis of ufos no no that's not going

4506
02:53:51,910 --> 02:53:50,000
to be happening and i think as time goes

4507
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:51,920
by it's going to be more and more

4508
02:53:55,830 --> 02:53:53,120
difficult

4509
02:53:58,230 --> 02:53:55,840
for ufo research to go into those very

4510
02:54:00,870 --> 02:53:58,240
necessary but uncomfortable areas that

4511
02:54:02,469 --> 02:54:00,880
deal with the cover-up the conspiracy

4512
02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:02,479
that's a real thing there is a real

4513
02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:03,840
conspiracy

4514
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:05,040
and we've been

4515
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:06,960
hammered you for years now with this

4516
02:54:10,469 --> 02:54:08,640
idea that conspiracy theories are for

4517
02:54:12,070 --> 02:54:10,479
silly people conspiracy theory

4518
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:12,080
conspiracy like you hear this all the

4519
02:54:15,910 --> 02:54:13,520
time

4520
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:15,920
it's a serious damage it does real

4521
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:17,920
damage to public discourse in every way

4522
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:21,279
and it does damage to the ufo field

4523
02:54:24,309 --> 02:54:22,640
because people run away from it they're

4524
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:24,319
afraid they don't want to be smeared as

4525
02:54:29,190 --> 02:54:26,479
a conspiracy theorist but right a ufo

4526
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:29,200
cover-up is a conspiracy

4527
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:32,080
and the ufo subject fundamentally is a

4528
02:54:36,309 --> 02:54:33,439
dangerous

4529
02:54:38,630 --> 02:54:36,319
subject to social order

4530
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:38,640
i wish it weren't i i don't like the

4531
02:54:42,309 --> 02:54:41,520
fact that it is but it's the fact

4532
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:42,319
so

4533
02:54:46,710 --> 02:54:43,920
you know the facts don't care what i

4534
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:46,720
think it is what it is and so therefore

4535
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:49,680
opening up something like twitter

4536
02:54:54,309 --> 02:54:52,160
at least in the near term for something

4537
02:54:56,790 --> 02:54:54,319
like the ufo field that's a healthy

4538
02:54:58,469 --> 02:54:56,800
thing i think that's a good thing

4539
02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:58,479
is it okay

4540
02:55:00,280 --> 02:54:59,439
uh

4541
02:55:01,590 --> 02:55:00,290
to

4542
02:55:03,590 --> 02:55:01,600
[Music]

4543
02:55:05,990 --> 02:55:03,600
the advocates of you know pure free

4544
02:55:07,990 --> 02:55:06,000
speech but i don't think they understand

4545
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:08,000
uh really what they're speaking about

4546
02:55:10,630 --> 02:55:09,520
especially when it comes to private

4547
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:10,640
companies

4548
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,600
but

4549
02:55:14,830 --> 02:55:13,920
is it okay

4550
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:14,840
to

4551
02:55:20,630 --> 02:55:18,399
lie right so under the guise of free

4552
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:20,640
speech to

4553
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:23,040
to post a lie

4554
02:55:27,429 --> 02:55:25,840
so well there's always protected there's

4555
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:27,439
always things that are

4556
02:55:31,030 --> 02:55:29,200
you can't yell fire in a crowded movie

4557
02:55:33,910 --> 02:55:31,040
theater and you can't engage with

4558
02:55:35,750 --> 02:55:33,920
slander or libel those are questionable

4559
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:35,760
so if you're talking like that there are

4560
02:55:38,469 --> 02:55:36,640
laws

4561
02:55:39,269 --> 02:55:38,479
to deal with things like that

4562
02:55:42,389 --> 02:55:39,279
but

4563
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:42,399
with a private platform

4564
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:44,720
a private platform this is has nothing

4565
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:46,960
to do with the federal government or

4566
02:55:51,269 --> 02:55:49,439
free speech a private platform a private

4567
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:51,279
company is is a totally different

4568
02:55:54,710 --> 02:55:52,560
situation

4569
02:55:57,190 --> 02:55:54,720
where it could be okay

4570
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:57,200
to yell fire in a crowded theater

4571
02:56:02,550 --> 02:56:00,479
and so who is where does that oversight

4572
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,560
come from yeah well there's that you're

4573
02:56:06,150 --> 02:56:04,319
right but but

4574
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:06,160
but we're leaving out a few things here

4575
02:56:09,110 --> 02:56:07,760
so one is that all those private

4576
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:09,120
platforms

4577
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:10,800
in terms of what they are limiting on

4578
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,640
the platform have been coming from

4579
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:14,720
extreme political pressure

4580
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:17,200
so that's one thing so they they've come

4581
02:56:21,429 --> 02:56:19,920
at the behest of political

4582
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:21,439
members of congress primarily in the

4583
02:56:24,309 --> 02:56:22,880
government

4584
02:56:26,630 --> 02:56:24,319
and what we even might call the deep

4585
02:56:27,670 --> 02:56:26,640
state that's a real thing so those have

4586
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:27,680
had

4587
02:56:33,190 --> 02:56:30,080
uh extreme influence over those

4588
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:33,200
platforms that's been uh paypal just now

4589
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,560
and it's not just against right-wing

4590
02:56:38,710 --> 02:56:37,120
people like we tend to think that paypal

4591
02:56:41,349 --> 02:56:38,720
uh just listen to the story today

4592
02:56:43,510 --> 02:56:41,359
they're going after a bunch of uh

4593
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:43,520
left of center progressives and and

4594
02:56:48,469 --> 02:56:45,600
preventing them from being able to use

4595
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:48,479
paypal for what clearly are political

4596
02:56:52,870 --> 02:56:50,800
motivations and it's like these

4597
02:56:55,750 --> 02:56:52,880
activists these thinkers they're they're

4598
02:56:57,269 --> 02:56:55,760
simply skeptics of the us government and

4599
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:57,279
a lot of international things probably

4600
02:57:01,110 --> 02:56:59,680
including the russia ukraine thing more

4601
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:01,120
going on there but it doesn't matter

4602
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,920
paypal is going after them why

4603
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:05,840
why would a private business yes you

4604
02:57:10,070 --> 02:57:08,080
could say paypal is allowed to doesn't

4605
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:10,080
make business sense clearly they're

4606
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:11,439
doing it as a result of political

4607
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:13,920
pressure all these major companies are

4608
02:57:16,550 --> 02:57:15,279
doing that

4609
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:16,560
so

4610
02:57:25,269 --> 02:57:22,080
against big tech i think we have to ask

4611
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:27,349
we're talking yes a private platform has

4612
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:29,040
the right to regulate its speech within

4613
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:31,439
that but

4614
02:57:36,230 --> 02:57:33,359
in the real world if we're seeing all of

4615
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:36,240
this overt government and intelligence

4616
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:38,080
community influence over these platforms

4617
02:57:42,870 --> 02:57:40,319
i think the public has a right

4618
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:42,880
to object to that

4619
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:43,840
certainly

4620
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:45,840
i'm not a lawyer but there's got to be

4621
02:57:49,429 --> 02:57:47,600
something illegal there's something

4622
02:57:51,349 --> 02:57:49,439
sketchy about that

4623
02:57:52,630 --> 02:57:51,359
and then secondly

4624
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:52,640
if you have platforms that want to

4625
02:57:56,630 --> 02:57:55,680
restrict speech okay fine that is their

4626
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:56,640
right

4627
02:57:59,830 --> 02:57:58,800
in theory we should be allowed to start

4628
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:59,840
people should be allowed to start

4629
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:01,760
alternative platforms the problem with

4630
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:04,479
that is that when there were alternative

4631
02:58:09,269 --> 02:58:06,319
platforms at various times that started

4632
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:09,279
up you saw tremendous

4633
02:58:13,590 --> 02:58:12,000
amounts of pressure and direct action

4634
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:13,600
taken against them to destabilize and

4635
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:16,319
destroy those alternative platforms now

4636
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:17,680
they're not all destroyed but some of

4637
02:58:21,429 --> 02:58:20,720
them have been everyone remembers parlor

4638
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:21,439
so

4639
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:25,279
like

4640
02:58:28,710 --> 02:58:26,880
yes

4641
02:58:30,550 --> 02:58:28,720
private companies have that right but

4642
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:30,560
when they are acting

4643
02:58:35,990 --> 02:58:33,600
to enforce monopoly

4644
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:36,000
in areas where those private platforms

4645
02:58:42,150 --> 02:58:38,960
have in a sense de facto become public

4646
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:42,160
squares anyway

4647
02:58:46,630 --> 02:58:42,960
so

4648
02:58:49,590 --> 02:58:46,640
that i don't think

4649
02:58:50,870 --> 02:58:49,600
it's it really is satisfactory to just

4650
02:58:52,389 --> 02:58:50,880
say yeah they're private companies they

4651
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:52,399
can do what they want it's not that

4652
02:58:56,710 --> 02:58:54,080
simple

4653
02:58:58,070 --> 02:58:56,720
so i agree with you in theory but in i

4654
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:58,080
think the reality is a little more

4655
02:59:03,590 --> 02:59:01,600
complex yeah i think it's um

4656
02:59:04,710 --> 02:59:03,600
it's just something that we need to at

4657
02:59:06,230 --> 02:59:04,720
least

4658
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,240
discuss

4659
02:59:11,349 --> 02:59:08,399
which is if the world's

4660
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:11,359
most richest most popular

4661
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:12,240
right

4662
02:59:18,710 --> 02:59:13,600
person

4663
02:59:19,830 --> 02:59:18,720
now wrestles control of a media outlet

4664
02:59:22,630 --> 02:59:19,840
that

4665
02:59:24,950 --> 02:59:22,640
he owns stocking companies he's got his

4666
02:59:28,309 --> 02:59:24,960
own companies he's got his own influence

4667
02:59:30,469 --> 02:59:28,319
and he can turn around and steer the

4668
02:59:32,070 --> 02:59:30,479
narrative you're talking about the worst

4669
02:59:34,550 --> 02:59:32,080
comes the worst he'll he'll destroy it

4670
02:59:36,150 --> 02:59:34,560
as a brand and people will leave it and

4671
02:59:38,389 --> 02:59:36,160
they'll go somewhere else

4672
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:38,399
like there's always that possibility

4673
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:40,319
i don't you i don't even know if elon

4674
02:59:44,389 --> 02:59:42,880
musk has the power to destroy

4675
02:59:47,349 --> 02:59:44,399
like really to destroy all the

4676
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,359
competitive brands that may come up

4677
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:49,040
he'll only be able to succeed if he

4678
02:59:52,309 --> 02:59:50,319
actually has a product that people

4679
02:59:55,190 --> 02:59:52,319
really like to keep using

4680
02:59:56,710 --> 02:59:55,200
and if he's

4681
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:56,720
if he fails to do that then he'll

4682
03:00:00,389 --> 02:59:59,200
succeed if he's able to strong-arm

4683
03:00:03,990 --> 03:00:00,399
use government

4684
03:00:05,670 --> 03:00:04,000
support to to block any competitors

4685
03:00:07,750 --> 03:00:05,680
uh which is kind of what twitter had

4686
03:00:10,230 --> 03:00:07,760
been sort of doing

4687
03:00:12,469 --> 03:00:10,240
yeah yeah that's true like using really

4688
03:00:14,870 --> 03:00:12,479
unfair government leverage to prevent

4689
03:00:17,269 --> 03:00:14,880
competitors from succeeding

4690
03:00:20,309 --> 03:00:17,279
but if if musk really screws it up and

4691
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:20,319
if he turns twitter into some uh

4692
03:00:23,349 --> 03:00:21,760
awful place

4693
03:00:25,269 --> 03:00:23,359
well people i think will just leave it

4694
03:00:27,830 --> 03:00:25,279
they'll go somewhere else

4695
03:00:30,389 --> 03:00:27,840
and here's what happens

4696
03:00:33,110 --> 03:00:30,399
i i really like elon

4697
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:33,120
dude smokes weed he wants to go to mars

4698
03:00:41,830 --> 03:00:38,550
a ships

4699
03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:41,840
what's not to love but

4700
03:00:46,550 --> 03:00:44,240
there are issues that's control yeah i

4701
03:00:48,309 --> 03:00:46,560
mean there are issues

4702
03:00:50,230 --> 03:00:48,319
i mean first of all he's like i'm afraid

4703
03:00:52,710 --> 03:00:50,240
of ai taking over

4704
03:00:55,269 --> 03:00:52,720
so we have to become like a.i i'm like

4705
03:00:56,950 --> 03:00:55,279
oh crap man

4706
03:00:58,070 --> 03:00:56,960
maybe you're right i just i don't like

4707
03:01:01,830 --> 03:00:58,080
that answer

4708
03:01:04,230 --> 03:01:01,840
he buys a platform run by ai

4709
03:01:06,230 --> 03:01:04,240
it's just like wow yeah

4710
03:01:07,910 --> 03:01:06,240
it's a little strange richard i've been

4711
03:01:09,990 --> 03:01:07,920
right into something i think he's never

4712
03:01:10,950 --> 03:01:10,000
been wet into something i

4713
03:01:13,830 --> 03:01:10,960
uh

4714
03:01:14,870 --> 03:01:13,840
he smokes weed and he loves aliens so

4715
03:01:16,309 --> 03:01:14,880
there you go

4716
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:16,319
hey richard

4717
03:01:21,030 --> 03:01:18,000
another great conversation my friend

4718
03:01:22,790 --> 03:01:21,040
this time well i hope that the interview

4719
03:01:24,230 --> 03:01:22,800
has met your expectation or exceeded

4720
03:01:25,990 --> 03:01:24,240
your expectations

4721
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:26,000
i will say i enjoyed this very much i

4722
03:01:31,349 --> 03:01:27,840
hope yeah

4723
03:01:36,150 --> 03:01:33,429
uh absolutely i'm not going to bother

4724
03:01:38,070 --> 03:01:36,160
you about the new book now tomorrow get

4725
03:01:39,190 --> 03:01:38,080
get i'm working on it though yeah get

4726
03:01:40,630 --> 03:01:39,200
back

4727
03:01:44,230 --> 03:01:40,640
i'm working on it

4728
03:01:50,389 --> 03:01:48,070
i'm holding my breath richard

4729
03:01:52,630 --> 03:01:50,399
a great night man and

4730
03:01:55,110 --> 03:01:52,640
tracy and i hope she feels better and uh

4731
03:01:56,870 --> 03:01:55,120
we'll chat we'll chat later on this week

4732
03:01:58,630 --> 03:01:56,880
man thank you so much it was a real

4733
03:02:02,550 --> 03:01:58,640
pleasure thanks a lot

4734
03:02:04,550 --> 03:02:02,560
richard bleepin dolan there it is the

4735
03:02:06,309 --> 03:02:04,560
interview

4736
03:02:08,630 --> 03:02:06,319
absolutely incredible conversation

4737
03:02:11,750 --> 03:02:08,640
tonight thank you so much richard

4738
03:02:14,550 --> 03:02:11,760
and uh it's so funny earlier tonight

4739
03:02:16,389 --> 03:02:14,560
uh i told tracey so i'm gonna keep i'm

4740
03:02:18,309 --> 03:02:16,399
gonna keep your man up

4741
03:02:21,670 --> 03:02:18,319
he's running late and she goes jimmy

4742
03:02:24,230 --> 03:02:21,680
he's all yours so i knew i had a free

4743
03:02:27,670 --> 03:02:24,240
run tonight thank you so much richard

4744
03:02:29,190 --> 03:02:27,680
nolan and it is richardnolanmembers.com

4745
03:02:30,870 --> 03:02:29,200
fade to black is produced by hilton j

4746
03:02:32,389 --> 03:02:30,880
palmer renee dennis and kevin announces

4747
03:02:34,630 --> 03:02:32,399
our steve heart of gene patel mark t

4748
03:02:37,710 --> 03:02:34,640
kovar webmasters drew the geek

4749
03:02:39,510 --> 03:02:37,720
music doug aldrich intro space boy

4750
03:02:41,349 --> 03:02:39,520
spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

4751
03:02:43,429 --> 03:02:41,359
produced by kjc over the game changer

4752
03:02:45,429 --> 03:02:43,439
network this broadcast on a copyrighted

4753
03:02:47,429 --> 03:02:45,439
2022 by fade to black and the game

4754
03:02:49,349 --> 03:02:47,439
changer network inc it cannot be

4755
03:02:51,269 --> 03:02:49,359
re-broadcast downloaded copied or used

4756
03:02:52,790 --> 03:02:51,279
anywhere in the known universe without

4757
03:02:54,870 --> 03:02:52,800
written permission from fade to block of

4758
03:02:57,510 --> 03:02:54,880
the game changer network our muse jimmy

4759
03:03:00,389 --> 03:02:57,520
church tomorrow night is fader night

4760
03:03:01,349 --> 03:03:00,399
it's open lines all night long until

4761
03:03:03,750 --> 03:03:01,359
then

4762
03:03:06,309 --> 03:03:03,760
you'll see the guitars tomorrow night

4763
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i want everybody to be safe